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You're right CowboyDren! I was way wrong on this one! Grabbit Ears DO work much better outside. My problem was I was trying to use them "vertically" the way they hang inside. Using them this way is only a little better and they are somewhat directional. Then it hit me to try them flat. WOW...

Approximately 2.5 to 2.75"

I've started to compare some TVfool projections for a some antennae that are out there and I've changed my mind on you needing an amplifier. The performance of Grabbit Ears out of coathangers far surpasses what you are getting. (I didn't need the amplifier, I used it to see what difference it...

I didn't realize you were working on simulation data. I thought you could build one and test it. Test data is the information I'm most interested in.

I was going to say that ALL I have IS empirical data. You beat me to it bebop. What cowboy requires is STATISTICAL data. Since I haven't the equipment or knowledge, I'm hoping he will test it. It outperforms 2-bays, but remember this is an indoor antenna. It may not perform at all out of...

I finally got my hands on an old amplifier that I had loaned out. Its a uhf/vhf/fm 24db amp. It adds very SIGNIFICANT increase in signal strength and signal quality! Give it a try bebop and see if you can get all the rest without the fiddling and still hidden from view.

Cool! I'll do what I can. All of my research is relational to how Grabbit Ears work, versus the variety of rabbit ears and antenna that I have used in the same locations over the years. They definitely are an improvement over the all rabbit ears I've tried including a 50 db amp RCA digital...

Your welcome, bebop! One of the great things is the small size. I was originally thinking of truckers and RV'ers because it is so small and light. (That's why I made the one on the back of a clipboard - so it would have a stable back and would hang on any vehicle window. What coathanger...

Iceberg, What do you mean when you say that most of the stations go SD when there is a weather alert?

I believe you can get what you want with this homemade antenna: GrabBit Ears

This one gets all the VHF too. Make your own. GrabBit Ears

Please let us know how they work for you!

Got any pics?

I hadn't used the digi antenna but Craig from Skywalker says it is the strongest signal he has come across. He said it is so strong that he has had to start adding attenuators even at 45 miles out. So this does remind us that bigger (stronger) isn't always better with antennae in the digital...

That's cool! Thanks for posting!

How's the signal strength and how many points difference? And, how's the picture?

Cool! Thanks!

Sorry. I don't have any screenshots. Do you just take a pic with your phone, send, save and then publish, or does it take more than that? Anyway, that EPG looks better than Choice Selects, already!

Component only. BTW, I wouldn't pay that price either. I think they're still available for about $100 less than that maybe at Skywalker Communications. This EPG is better than all the converter boxes that I've tried, except the DTVPal.

Grabbit Ears WILL work if you want to make them. Here's the page: GrabBit Ears

Here's the homemade antenna that you won't need to access your attic to use. GrabBit Ears I am quite certain this will work for you.

I have had a Choice Select HD converter box for over 3 years, now. In regards to menus and EPG, it is not as responsive or intuitive as the DTVPal (non-hd), but it does better than any other converter box that I've tried or installed. As far as picture goes, the SD is bangin' and the HD is...

This homemade antenna, GrabBit Ears, is really a wonder, a gift of the LORD! It is the empirical solution to receiving ALL UHF and ALL VHF reception, and its performance is truly amazing! GrabBit Ears are a substantial improvement over current store bought designs. GrabBit Ears are the only...

If you're willing to make it, here are the specs for details regarding Grabbit Ears. GrabBit Ears receive ALL VHF/UHF signals and I have no doubt that they will work for your situation. GrabBit Ears

If you are the least "bit" :D handy, you can make your own. My experience has shown that if rabbit ears used to work, then Grabbit Ears WILL work. FREE Plans and pics are here: GrabBit Ears