Need to record from one channel dropped by Dish

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We are very happy with Dish. However, one of our local stations is having a long-running discussion on whether they will be on Dish, and of course in the meantime they aren't.

When I set up the Dish system we tried to add an antenna for the main TV, but we found that there was no easy and decent-looking way to do that. So, when our CBS station disappered I dug out the antenna and attached it to a modern but smaller TV in a guest room. It works great. However, 1) there is no recliner in this room and 2) we are very spoiled by being able to record the football games and start watching them later so that we can skip the commercials and also get a little bit more done on game days..

Which brought me to study OTA recorders. After eliminating any that require subscriptions to the content or the Guide, I found that most of them now seem to be designed for streaming, with the OTA many clicks down a choice menu.

One of the high-rated ones is the Amazon Fire Recast. Other than being expensive, reviewers praise the many screens of streaming content and the promotion of Amazon shows. We have streamed exactly two programs ever, having missed the first two episodes of something we came to like.

Amazon also offers a refurbished TiVo Bolt OTA 1TB with all fees paid for $300, which seems to have some stuff we'd have to go through on the way to OTA programming, but maybe not as much.

However, now that I know we can record OTA channels, I would also like to use the home WiFi to relay the recordings to the comfortable chairs and the big TV. It does not look to me like the Bolt can do that. The Fire device would let us do that, but I really think one of us would throw it against the wall pretty soon because of the interface.

I know this is an unusual question for satelliteguys, but surely some of you have found yourself in the same place. What recommendations do you have?

Thank you.
 
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I know this is an unusual question for satelliteguys, but surely some of you have found yourself in the same place. What recommendations do you have?
This is not unusual at all. Those of us who can receive local stations OTA just drop them from our satellite subscription and spend $30 one time on the AirTV dual-tuner USB adapter. Unfortunately I don't see these available on the AirTV website any more. The Dish-branded one is still available on Amazon for the Dish price of $60. (That's why we went with the AirTV adapter since it costs half as much but has the same guts.)

Amazon product
View: https://www.amazon.com/DUAL-OTA-ADAPTER-HOPPER-WALLY/dp/B01MZG9SON

Once you drop locals from your subscription, the guide should remain and you can record them just fine as you did before via the satellite feed.
 
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Another option is Paramount+, you get all the CBS shows and a lot more, there is a code for 50% off the premium plan-NaN% off null Nulls I believe it expires in a couple of days, but it brings the commercial free plan down to $48 for the year, that is only $4 a month.
 
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We are very happy with Dish. However, one of our local stations is having a long-running discussion on whether they will be on Dish, and of course in the meantime they aren't.

When I set up the Dish system we tried to add an antenna for the main TV, but we found that there was no easy and decent-looking way to do that. So, when our CBS station disappered I dug out the antenna and attached it to a modern but smaller TV in a guest room. It works great. However, 1) there is no recliner in this room and 2) we are very spoiled by being able to record the football games and start watching them later so that we can skip the commercials and also get a little bit more done on game days..

Which brought me to study OTA recorders. After eliminating any that require subscriptions to the content or the Guide, I found that most of them now seem to be designed for streaming, with the OTA many clicks down a choice menu.

One of the high-rated ones is the Amazon Fire Recast. Other than being expensive, reviewers praise the many screens of streaming content and the promotion of Amazon shows. We have streamed exactly two programs ever, having missed the first two episodes of something we came to like.

Amazon also offers a refurbished TiVo Bolt OTA 1TB with all fees paid for $300, which seems to have some stuff we'd have to go through on the way to OTA programming, but maybe not as much.

However, now that I know we can record OTA channels, I would also like to use the home WiFi to relay the recordings to the comfortable chairs and the big TV. It does not look to me like the Bolt can do that. The Fire device would let us do that, but I really think one of us would throw it against the wall pretty soon because of the interface.

I know this is an unusual question for satelliteguys, but surely some of you have found yourself in the same place. What recommendations do you have?

Thank you.
 
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I have my local channels over Silicon Dust HD Homerun which is a network tuner. I also have a Nvidia Shield and synology NAS which all together work very well.

I have Channels DVR installed on the NAS, as client on the Shield and on my Phone and set recordings from either one.

All three of these devices are wired by ethernet.

You may not have that option but good luck
 
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How about this scenario?
I will assume you have these or are willing to accept!

Unlimited Internet service with good download speed.
An old laptop laying around.
Extra hdmi cable and unused hdmi port on favorite tv (with comfy recliner in front of it!).
Accepting the fact that you will have to watch live tv (games on CBS), no skipping commercials.
Your local CBS does live streaming in your particular area.

I realize you may think it might be too cumbersome. But, keep reading it.

Old laptop is connected to hdmi port on tv, and it's wifi works. You open your web browser and go to local CBS station. Start streaming a live game and accept commercial breaks.
Acceptable?
 
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'm too remote to receive any stations over the air. Fortunately, T-mobile introduce wireless home internet hat's available in my area. For $50.00/month, I receive unlimited internet with an average download speed of about 75mb's. After 10 years of putting up with Dish's BS, I dumped them. I now receive all the stations I want, plus high speed internet at half the price I paid for dish alone. Thank you T-mobile.
 
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How about this scenario?
I will assume you have these or are willing to accept!

Unlimited Internet service with good download speed.
An old laptop laying around.
Extra hdmi cable and unused hdmi port on favorite tv (with comfy recliner in front of it!).
Accepting the fact that you will have to watch live tv (games on CBS), no skipping commercials.
Your local CBS does live streaming in your particular area.

I realize you may think it might be too cumbersome. But, keep reading it.

Old laptop is connected to hdmi port on tv, and it's wifi works. You open your web browser and go to local CBS station. Start streaming a live game and accept commercial breaks.
Acceptable?
Thank you sktrus.I can see that would work. It could be a fallback if I can't find a way to record.
 
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Recast has NO HDMI output. It works via WiFi only or ethernet.
Will it send a recorded HD program over WiFi (our home router) to the smart TV in the other room? That TV came pre-loaded with the app for Amazon. When I go to the streaming option on that TV it tries to connect to everthing it can see, including the neighbor's WiFi and our printer.
 
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Thank you sktrus.I can see that would work. It could be a fallback if I can't find a way to record.
If you plan to stick with DISH long-term, then clearly the easiest, cheapest and best user experience would just be to buy the dual OTA tuner that plugs into your Hopper so that you can get OTA channels integrated into the guide alongside your satellite-delivered channels and record them all to the same DVR. As Krell said, you can buy it from Amazon. It's currently $60 there. Looks like folks are selling them new on eBay for $45-50. No idea if DISH sells them directly. You might call them up and ask; since you're missing a local channel due to a carriage dispute, DISH might sell you one for cheaper than that?

Amazon product
View: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MZG9SON/
 
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If you plan to stick with DISH long-term, then clearly the easiest, cheapest and best user experience would just be to buy the dual OTA tuner that plugs into your Hopper so that you can get OTA channels integrated into the guide alongside your satellite-delivered channels and record them all to the same DVR. As Krell said, you can buy it from Amazon. It's currently $60 there. Looks like folks are selling them new on eBay for $45-50. No idea if DISH sells them directly. You might call them up and ask; since you're missing a local channel due to a carriage dispute, DISH might sell you one for cheaper than that?

Amazon product
View: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MZG9SON/

Thank you very much I did not know about that.

Does this device use the physical Dish as an antenna, or how does it get the antenna content?
 
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This is not unusual at all. Those of us who can receive local stations OTA just drop them from our satellite subscription and spend $30 one time on the AirTV dual-tuner USB adapter. Unfortunately I don't see these available on the AirTV website any more. The Dish-branded one is still available on Amazon for the Dish price of $60. (That's why we went with the AirTV adapter since it costs half as much but has the same guts.)

Amazon product
View: https://www.amazon.com/DUAL-OTA-ADAPTER-HOPPER-WALLY/dp/B01MZG9SON

Once you drop locals from your subscription, the guide should remain and you can record them just fine as you did before via the satellite feed.

Remember, we can't access an antenna where the main TV is. How does this device get its signal? Or is there some way to connect this device and the antenna to the Joey where the small tv is?
 
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judyintexas

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This is not unusual at all. Those of us who can receive local stations OTA just drop them from our satellite subscription and spend $30 one time on the AirTV dual-tuner USB adapter. Unfortunately I don't see these available on the AirTV website any more. The Dish-branded one is still available on Amazon for the Dish price of $60. (That's why we went with the AirTV adapter since it costs half as much but has the same guts.)

Amazon product
View: https://www.amazon.com/DUAL-OTA-ADAPTER-HOPPER-WALLY/dp/B01MZG9SON

Once you drop locals from your subscription, the guide should remain and you can record them just fine as you did before via the satellite feed.

Does this solve the problem of gettng te antenna signal to where the main tv/Hopper is?
 
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Does this device use the physical Dish as an antenna, or how does it get the antenna content?

Remember, we can't access an antenna where the main TV is. How does this device get its signal? Or is there some way to connect this device and the antenna to the Joey where the small tv is?

To answer the first question, you plug your OTA antenna into the Dish OTA Adapter, then the adapter plugs into one of the Hopper's USB port.

To answer the second question, though...No, you cannot plug the OTA adapter into a Joey instead of the Hopper. It has to be plugged into the Hopper. Once it is plugged into the Hopper and you scan for available OTA channels, then you can access the OTA channels from any of the Joey TV locations as well. That leads to a potential work-around here. While it may not be ideal, have you considered swapping your Hopper and Joeys between these two locations? IOW, move the Hopper to the "small TV" location where you could potentially receive the OTA signal, and then setup the Joey at the "Main TV" Location? That way you could get the OTA signal where you are able, and still be able to watch the OTA channels (and anything else live or recorded) at the Main TV location.
 
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To answer the first question, you plug your OTA antenna into the Dish OTA Adapter, then the adapter plugs into one of the Hopper's USB port.

To answer the second question, though...No, you cannot plug the OTA adapter into a Joey instead of the Hopper. It has to be plugged into the Hopper. Once it is plugged into the Hopper and you scan for available OTA channels, then you can access the OTA channels from any of the Joey TV locations as well. That leads to a potential work-around here. While it may not be ideal, have you considered swapping your Hopper and Joeys between these two locations? IOW, move the Hopper to the "small TV" location where you could potentially receive the OTA signal, and then setup the Joey at the "Main TV" Location? That way you could get the OTA signal where you are able, and still be able to watch the OTA channels (and anything else live or recorded) at the Main TV location.
DWS44, yes, that did occur to me, a few minutes ago in fact, as a result of the information I have been getting from you folks.

Is that as simple as just unplugging and moving them, or do I have to study up or get a technician?
 
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That would work fine. As would YouTubeTV and probably some others. But you're not going to be able to go to <insert station call letters here>.com and get a stream of network content.
I also can't record it and I don't want to pay that much per month. Dish meets all of our other needs.
 

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