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Not speaking for AZ here, but one thing the government can do is already within their purview. Mandate that their OTA signals can be received by everyone in their DMA for free, whether it be by repeaters or whatever means.
Might be easier to say that the signal can not be withheld by a provider or owner.
 
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So what's your solution? Full government control of the networks? I'm sure that would be great!
Like always people love to light their hair on fire....How about them breaking up there giant Corporations?....You do know they did that to ATT in the 80s?
These companies dont have the right to over and over screw customers!

Its been explained already, as we continue to let these companies get larger and larger and gain more market control, its those companies are only about profit....They dont care how much you pay!
I am amazed that people dont understand how much the government either controls or regulates!
Regulate the crap out of then, FREE over the air signals turn into a money making machine!
Can you still not understand, when and why we need someone to step in and put them in their place?!
 
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Here's what sucks about this situation, and every other one Dish has done over the last 4-5 years. Who is going to reimburse me for the $10.00 I just had to shell out to watch football this evening? That's the cost of Peacock for the next month.

No one. Especially not Dish...who by the way I am also paying for a service not being provided.

Peacock's base subscription plan (Peacock Premium) is $4.99 and includes Sunday Night Football. Premium Plus just gets you ad-free (NOT on Sunday Night Football or their streaming channels) and downloads.

I chatted with DISH and was given a $5 credit no problem.
 

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Not speaking for AZ here, but one thing the government can do is already within their purview. Mandate that their OTA signals can be received by everyone in their DMA for free with an antenna, whether it be by repeaters or whatever means.
The cost to remove every hill blocking me from the transmitter towers would be phenomenal.
 

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Yes Locast that the federal judge just shut down.
Requiring a new third party is not middle ground. Locast was surfing in the shallows and they know it. The streaming solution would involve FCC licenses requiring stations to have a stream online, web and streaming devices. Be somewhat interesting to have it stream directly from WIFI to the TV as if OTA. That'd require some standards though.
 

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The cost to remove every hill blocking me from the transmitter towers would be phenomenal.
If it's not economically feasible to put a repeater on the other side of the hills, they shouldn't be able to count you in their DMA and you should be free to get feeds of your choice from a 3rd party provider (can't be Locast anymore since they're all but dead, but a similar concept fully legalized by new regulation to provide station coverage to people who can't get OTA).

The station owners are given FCC licenses to provide free OTA programming for their communities. Getting them as part of a cable/satellite package should be a convenience (for guide, DVR integration, etc.), not a necessity. There are too many stations claiming DMAs that their signals have no way of giving usable coverage to and expecting most of their viewers to sub to pay-tv providers that they can then gouge for retransmission fees.

EDIT: Yespage's idea above is even better for providing coverage for people who can't get OTA.
 

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Requiring a new third party is not middle ground. Locast was surfing in the shallows and they know it. The streaming solution would involve FCC licenses requiring stations to have a stream online, web and streaming devices. Be somewhat interesting to have it stream directly from WIFI to the TV as if OTA. That'd require some standards though.
Yes its called 5g
 

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If it's not economically feasible to put a repeater on the other side of the hills, they shouldn't be able to count you in their DMA and you should be free to get feeds of your choice from a 3rd party provider (can't be Locast anymore since they're all but dead, but a similar concept fully legalized by new regulation to provide station coverage to people who can't get OTA).

The station owners are given FCC licenses to provide free OTA programming for their communities. Getting them as part of a cable/satellite package should be a convenience (for guide, DVR integration, etc.), not a necessity. There are too many stations claiming DMAs that their signals have no way of giving usable coverage to and expecting most of their viewers to sub to pay-tv providers that they can then gouge for retransmission fees.

EDIT: Yespage's idea above is even better for providing coverage for people who can't get OTA.
Other countries use FTA satellite..you buy the receiver..programming is ad supported..maybe a nationwide license fee to support uplink costs would help
 

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LOL! No doubt. I imagine it would be much cheaper just to move your house to the top of one of those hills.
The station that makes me most irate is where I used to work and know the Chief Engineer personally. The current owner, Scripps, will spend hundreds of thousands on a helicopter used a couple of hours a day but won't spend a very few thousand on a repeater for a chunk of viewers they know are watching...except when OTA is required.
 

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The station that makes me most irate is where I used to work and know the Chief Engineer personally. The current owner, Scripps, will spend hundreds of thousands on a helicopter used a couple of hours a day but won't spend a very few thousand on a repeater for a chunk of viewers they know are watching...except when OTA is required.
Sorry, I have a hard time believing a repeater (hardware + land) would just be "a very few thousand". By that measurement, the broadcaster is just asking for "a very few cents". :biggrin
 
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Sorry, I have a hard time believing a repeater (hardware + land) would just be "a very few thousand". By that measurement, the broadcaster is just asking for "a very few cents". :biggrin
I expect there's several thousands involved in just the engineering survey needed for the FCC license application...
 

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I expect there's several thousands involved in just the engineering survey needed for the FCC license application...
Repeaters and translators are licensed differently than full power transmitters since they cover very limited areas. In this area rhey are often located atop buildings or colocated on existing towers.
 

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Peacock's base subscription plan (Peacock Premium) is $4.99 and includes Sunday Night Football. Premium Plus just gets you ad-free (NOT on Sunday Night Football or their streaming channels) and downloads.

I chatted with DISH and was given a $5 credit no problem.


$10.00 for the ad-free. I don't watch commercials with Dish, why should my replacement service they are forcing me to get be anything less.
 

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They do.

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Not on mine. I have tried updating the guide every day, even after the nightly updates and still no luck. NEW ORLEANS Wwl tv channel 4 and Wupl 54.
 

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Repeaters and translators are licensed differently than full power transmitters since they cover very limited areas. In this area rhey are often located atop buildings or colocated on existing towers.
You'd still need a study. And if they go on top of buildings or on existing towers, then you pay rent to those places. Still in addition to the transmitter, line, receiver, equipment, and installation. It's not "a very few thousand dollars". I'm not saying repeaters shouldn't be used, just be realistic on what the costs are.
 
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