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That's what I was thinking, but saying it in a way he will understand would be difficult for me. That's why y'all were my go to. And I hate to see DIRT get told they are dumb or lazy I beleive was the quote.
 
Not everyone is a HD TV connoisseur. I'll admit that having Directv,I was shocked by the PQ quality of Dish,but that was because I kept my Directv boxes in both native & original format mode. I had 2 ViP 722k's & 1ViP 211k. Also my reception came from a Western Arc dish. My Logitech Revue boxes helped to upgrade the 1080i output on my 722k's to 1080p & I kept my 211k output at 720p because it was hooked up to a 720p TV. I got over however I felt about the PQ,& not everybody cares about PQ,they just want to watch TV. They also want to save money & Dish can be cheaper than Directv. Give it a while & he'll forget why he was complaining.
 
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I wish that was the case. After a few years working on the csr side, I have learned the typical customer feels if it isn't familiar to them, it will always be wrong. Give an example. Probably thhe most common complaint was how dish equipment was all screwed up, because they keep getting snowey screens. Even after explaining how to fix, and explain what the issue was they still callback hostile. Satellite guys is a completely different crowd. I wish it was you guys calling in daily(actually I don't cAuse then if I got something wrong, it makes the dynamic of that call soooo bad. Lol).
 
Agreed. But guys like him will bomb the forum until he is proven wrong. If you remember the "rusty" fella on this forum about distant locals in Hawaii. He posted for how long until I think you, Kab, made the point to him in words he could understand.
 
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Yes, the OP is probably a blowhard, but Dan B's response about a gold plated cable was just plain stupid.
 
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StevenD said:
Yes, the OP is probably a blowhard, but Dan B's response about a gold plated cable was just plain stupid.
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Maybe Dan B should have asked if the OP had a spare HDMI cable to test to see if it would make any difference. I was never a believer that the most expensive cables were always the answer. And I've seen many posts here that reseating and/or trying a different cable is a good 1st troubleshooting tip.

The problem with ignoring people like the OP(from the link thread) is someone new comes to a site like that or even here looking for answers and opinions on in this case Dish, and they read a thread like that and form an opinion based on that thread. That is why I like this site. If someone posts something over the top they usually get called on it quite quickly.
 
As the vast majority of posts over many many years here will show, and as my friends who come to my house to watch tv (On a well calibrated TV) will say, DISH PQ in generally as good, or better than other carriers. If it was that much worse many of us who have been with DISH 10, 11, 12, .....years would have left by now.

So keeping that in mind, read carefully and the poster is saying (my words) --Because DISH does not have 1080P it is bad.-- So in his mind others transmit in 1080P.
"1080i is an archaic variant of HD that was concocted as a way to save bandwidth and is now DEAD"

"I was expecting HD programming on par with its direct competitor but sadly that is not the case. Both the HD receiver and HD DVR I got can only display 1080i. Not only that but the resolution of that 1080i is no better than the upscaled 720p video out of the same receivers."
The 720P remark is/can be actually true but he is incapable of understand that. Plenty of programming is actually in 720P so yes you won't see much difference between the settings. On top of that, many not only on this site but in general feel 720P actually is as good or maybe even better than 1080I at the least up to a certain screen size and your distance from the screen.
 
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The argument shouldn't be on the merits of any HD resolution. Rather, the focus should be on bit-starving and the detrimental impact it has on the PQ.
 
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In case anybody did not go to check that thread, the Op, when confronted with facts as like Tampa put forth here, backed down (out).
 
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As the vast majority of posts over many many years here will show, and as my friends who come to my house to watch tv (On a well calibrated TV) will say, DISH PQ in generally as good, or better than other carriers. If it was that much worse many of us who have been with DISH 10, 11, 12, .....years would have left by now.

So keeping that in mind, read carefully and the poster is saying (my words) --Because DISH does not have 1080P it is bad.-- So in his mind others transmit in 1080P.
"1080i is an archaic variant of HD that was concocted as a way to save bandwidth and is now DEAD"

"I was expecting HD programming on par with its direct competitor but sadly that is not the case. Both the HD receiver and HD DVR I got can only display 1080i. Not only that but the resolution of that 1080i is no better than the upscaled 720p video out of the same receivers."
The 720P remark is/can be actually true but he is incapable of understand that. Plenty of programming is actually in 720P so yes you won't see much difference between the settings. On top of that, many not only on this site but in general feel 720P actually is as good or maybe even better than 1080I at the least up to a certain screen size and your distance from the screen.
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Yes. Each source needs to tweaked for best PQ. Getting my setting just right for Dish is no gong to be the settings for my DVD or Blu-ray nor for my TiVo, although Dish and TiVo are pretty similar setting. One thing I know I must do for Dish is increase the sharpness setting (meaning less softness and more deatail) and put the tint closer to green than any other source along with care some careful subjective brightness and contrast (after using Spears & Munsil for a reference starting point) and I can see the open pours on the face of the talking heads on History and H2. I am certain that those settings for Dish would not be so good for DirecTV nor Cable nor FiOS. Man, I can really see how some of my OTA looks great, but not for some OTA who have crap equipment and encoders and Engineers. I really need sepeate settings for a number of OTA's. If one makes serious attempt to estabish a starting point after a Blu-ray disc calibrator and additional tweaking of the apprpriate settings (be careful with Gamma) one will get a great and highly detailed PQ for most HD channels on Dish, unless one wants to pay for a pro calibration.
 
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StevenD said:
Yes, the OP is probably a blowhard, but Dan B's response about a gold plated cable was just plain stupid.
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I was going to make (2) comments after browsing that thread very quickly.....

1) The suggestion to use a gold plated cable must have been a joke. Yeah, that's what it was.... No way it was serious. Then again, Daniel also said this, "Both of these use the same amount of bandwidth to broadcast" in reference to 1080i vs 1080p. Sorry Daniel, it takes at least 2x the bandwidth to send 1080p.

2) The OP stated "I have worked in the home theater industry for over 20 years...." and hasn't seen Dish's service in action before to get a better idea of what was going to be provided ?

I also see a comment from a familiar name that says the providers re-transmit the signal just as they receive them from the networks (further down in his post, he does clarify what Dish does). I can't speak for Directv or cablecos, but this is not true for Dish. Dish modifies 1920x1080i broadcasts down to 1440x1080i. Not sure what they do with 720p broadcasts myself.
 
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I also see a comment from a familiar name that says the providers re-transmit the signal just as they receive them from the networks (further down in his post, he does clarify what Dish does). I can't speak for Directv or cablecos, but this is not true for Dish. Dish modifies 1920x1080i broadcasts down to 1440x1080i. Not sure what they do with 720p broadcasts myself.
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I am just curious,why does Dish modify the broadcasts?
 
I would say that more than 90% don't care. If 10% cared that's just over 1.4 million people that would care. I suspect it's barely a couple thousand.
 
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