Here we go again...I am truly amazed how many people are such loyalists to either D* or E* or cable companies. You would think by some people's defensive comments that they owned or had a major stake in these companies. Instead they pay a huge amount of money for tv programming that, in my opinion, stinks. These companies could care less what subscribers think because consumer options are so few in this arena. These companies are in business to make money and their goal is to get it from you. So, don't be so defensive in your position unless you have a personal stake in it's outcome. I keep saying, he who has the best programs in both quality and quantity at the best price will get my money. Loyalty must be earned. DBS and cable companies have done nothing to earn my loyalty except to raise package prices and limit my choice in what programs I really want and reduce the picture quality to cram in more and more programs that few people watch.
How can E* keep adding HD?
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Thanks for the link - because it CLEARLY says in 2007 - and that is this year.
I am not taking it personal, but get your story correct, that's all I ask.
Exactly, thank you Tonedeaf
Bountykiller seems to think that billoins of dollars invested is how people are asleep at the wheel.
D* has sats going up,as everyone knows , E* basically bought someone elses sat that went belly up and is using that, waht a stroke of fabulous planning that was, E* really put it to the comp. when they did that.
Soon E will be out of space on the sat they bought and they will be right back where they were.
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I take the term by 2007 meaning before. I don't tell my boss that I will have a project complete by 5:00 and then finish at 7:00.
I will get my facts straight. They have not been touting the 150 HD channels for 1 1/2 years. It has been 2 years 5 months. Is that better. I offically fixed my miss information.
They have CLEARLY said that the first 2 sats were for HD locals, and they are delivering. They have also ALWAYS said that the next two sats (DIRECTV10 and 11) were being launched IN 2007 and that THOSE would provide the capcaity for the HD nationals- those are the facts.
JAG72 - here is a quote from the press release you were so kind to link to above:
Local HD programming in the first group of markets will be available mid-year following the successful launch of the Spaceway 1 and Spaceway 2 satellites in the second quarter. The launch of these satellites and two others -- DIRECTV 10 and DIRECTV 11, scheduled to go aloft in early 2007 -- will play a vital role in the dramatic expansion of programming capacity for DIRECTV, announced last September.
The Boeing-built Spaceway 1 and 2 satellites will have the capacity for more than 500 local HD channels, bringing local HD programming to most of the U.S. population, and will enable DIRECTV to continue to expand standard-definition local offerings and other enhancements. DIRECTV 10 and 11 will have the capacity for more than 1,000 additional local HD channels and more than 150 national HD channels and other new programming offerings. All four satellites will use spot-beam technology to deliver local channels.
The 2 sats are clearly stated for going up in 2007 - what part are you reading wrong?
Local HD programming in the first group of markets will be available mid-year following the successful launch of the Spaceway 1 and Spaceway 2 satellites in the second quarter. The launch of these satellites and two others -- DIRECTV 10 and DIRECTV 11, scheduled to go aloft in early 2007 -- will play a vital role in the dramatic expansion of programming capacity for DIRECTV, announced last September.
The Boeing-built Spaceway 1 and 2 satellites will have the capacity for more than 500 local HD channels, bringing local HD programming to most of the U.S. population, and will enable DIRECTV to continue to expand standard-definition local offerings and other enhancements. DIRECTV 10 and 11 will have the capacity for more than 1,000 additional local HD channels and more than 150 national HD channels and other new programming offerings. All four satellites will use spot-beam technology to deliver local channels.
The 2 sats are clearly stated for going up in 2007 - what part are you reading wrong?
Well said.
I really meant this as a technical question not to set off a system war. To the best of my knowledge E* has three sats and D* has five. It seems we shouldn't be the one with a bandwidth problem.
So they contraidict themselves in their own press release. The also state that they will launch the 4 sats by 2007 in the first part of the release. No wonder why some of their consumers are so confused and upset. Like I said prior I take by 2007 as meaning before.
No contradiction at all - the launch timeframes and usage of all of those sats is well-known, often posted throughout this and other forums. While you can (and are) taking by 2007 to mean BEFORE 2007, the roll-out has really been pretty clear to people on this and similar sites. The HD nationals have ALWAYS been from DIRECTV10 and 11 and those have ALWAYS been set to launch IN 2007, not BEFORE 2006 ended.
And I do agree with your prior statement that D* has been TOUTING the 150 channels, but I have no confusion as to them meaning this year.
It should not be a system war. It should be about the consumer getting what they want for there money. I had D* for 8 years and left them a year ago. I was mostly happy with them but wanted more HD now and the sports packages did not make a difference to me. I am just as happy with E* as I was with D*. I really hope D* gets the SATS up quickly and safely so E* has to get back of their a$$ and get moving providing more HD to us again. I think they are currently in a position not to provide many more stations until they have to. They will throw us a bone every once and awhile to keep people happy, but if D* really carries 70 HD national channels this year E* could be in trouble.
This is not a war, but the facts need to be more accurately told. The usage and launch plans for all 4 sats are OLD news.
Here is the ORIGINAL PRESS RELEASE regarding their HD plans from Sept of 2004:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=127160&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=617918&highlight=
The first two of these satellites, Spaceway 1 and Spaceway 2, will launch in 2005 with programming being offered to consumers by the middle of the year. These satellites will have the capacity for more than 500 local HD channels. With these satellites, DIRECTV will have the ability to bring local HD programming to most of the U.S. population, as well as continuing to expand standard-definition local offerings and other enhancements.
The next two satellites, DIRECTV 10 and DIRECTV 11, will launch in early 2007. These satellites will have the capacity for more than 1,000 additional local HD channels, more than 150 national HD channels, and other new programming offerings. These satellites will provide DIRECTV the capability to bring local and national HD programming and other advanced services to every U.S. household. Consumers will be able to receive all of these services, as well as existing DIRECTV(R) programming, with a single small satellite dish.
Here is the ORIGINAL PRESS RELEASE regarding their HD plans from Sept of 2004:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=127160&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=617918&highlight=
The first two of these satellites, Spaceway 1 and Spaceway 2, will launch in 2005 with programming being offered to consumers by the middle of the year. These satellites will have the capacity for more than 500 local HD channels. With these satellites, DIRECTV will have the ability to bring local HD programming to most of the U.S. population, as well as continuing to expand standard-definition local offerings and other enhancements.
The next two satellites, DIRECTV 10 and DIRECTV 11, will launch in early 2007. These satellites will have the capacity for more than 1,000 additional local HD channels, more than 150 national HD channels, and other new programming offerings. These satellites will provide DIRECTV the capability to bring local and national HD programming and other advanced services to every U.S. household. Consumers will be able to receive all of these services, as well as existing DIRECTV(R) programming, with a single small satellite dish.
oh man did i spawn a world of hell. For all those folks too lazy to do their reading. Recently (well i cant find the fcc filing off hand but it is in this forum elsewhere) Dish bought up all of the new expansion slots (reverse polarity or something i think.. not sure) but 10 slots went on auction some time back, all of which dish bought. (I really wish I could find the damned link, if someone else has it, please post) but in terms of capacity, im sorry guys on the D* side, you guys are playing catchup big time for right now. Even after your new capacity comes on line, your still stuck with non DBS slots to the best of my knowledge ;0 Either way, it seems that charlie bought up every slot he could while D* snoozed away at those auctions. While charlie may not yet have birds there, dont you think he will soon enough? What then when he gets all this capacity up? ;0
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Yes, please find this link or info that you're referring to since IIRC the only mention I've seen of this is from you in another thread and I asked for a link to that info then and never got one. Something like this would be big news that would most likely result in a new item on the front page but I don't recall ever seeing one.
If this really didn happen, what satellites has E* contracted for to make use of all these new slots? If they have contracted with them it takes a couple of years to get them built and then launched so it would be 2009/2010 before anything happened.
Oh by the way. I always had my story correct because I never once said anything about a year. I only stated they have been broadcasting the commercials for quite some time. The article was meant to show that it was over 1 1/2 years ago which you said was not true.
My opinion is they are still contradicting themselves in the article. The problem is that many people just quickly read through many of these releases and they will pull the most information from the beginning. Good business practice would be to release the information where you can not pull multiple views from reading different parts. All they would have done is stated in 2007 instead of by 2007.
Ah hah. ok D* punks... time to chew on this.. You tell me who will have capacity when all is said and done ;0 Not D* thats for sure!!!!!!!
I copied this from a posting on "the other forum"
Dish has applied to the FCC for 10 new DBS Expansion Band satellites at 61.9, 67, 77.2, 86.3, 110, 114.5, 119, 124, 128.6 and 147.6 W.L. Here is the FCC website address for this application:
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/servlet/ib.page.FetchAttachment?attachment_key=-121751
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I copied this from a posting on "the other forum"
Dish has applied to the FCC for 10 new DBS Expansion Band satellites at 61.9, 67, 77.2, 86.3, 110, 114.5, 119, 124, 128.6 and 147.6 W.L. Here is the FCC website address for this application:
http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/servlet/ib.page.FetchAttachment?attachment_key=-121751
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This is based on the 4.5 degree spacing, to accomplish that i believe that the polarity is the reverse of the ones that are 9 degrees apart to avoid electronic confusion across channels with the closer spacing. Btw this was in fact on the front page of "the other site" quite a while back (October 2006 i believe).
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"The new DBS system proposed by EchoStar will consist of ten state-of-the-art
satellites, with one satellite to be located at each of the 61.9º W.L., 67º W.L., 77.2º W.L., 86.3º
W.L., 110° W.L., 114.5° W.L., 119° W.L., 124º W.L., 128.6º W.L., and 147.6º W.L. nominal
orbital locations. The satellites will use the 24.75-25.25 GHz band for BSS feeder uplinks, and
EchoStar currently plans to operate the feeder link and TT&C earth stations associated with its
DBS Expansion Band system in Cheyenne, Wyoming and Gilbert, Arizona, where EchoStar’s
primary existing earth station complexes are located"
I would say that beats the SNOT out of what D* is going to have ;0 Also keep in mind this is all on top of existing space inclusive of fss etc as well. So thats in theory 320 new DBS transponders. They can now fit 6 HD channels with the tandenburg MPEG 4. Thats 1920 in theory HD channels there.... Add the 64 (minus two i think for Skyangel at 61.5) now that they have, so 62 * 6 = 372. That is 2292 posible HD channels (in theory based on very good mpeg4 compression). Hrm.. beats 1500 I think!!! ;0 Keep in mind the 3 transponders @ 110 too.... FSS as well... MPEG4 being pushed eventually to all the SD... theres a goood chunk of possibility there for HD... Well some may snicker at those numbers... I think you should see clearly the basis for why I said that D* snoozed at the auction for these frequencies. I cant believe they didnt even get one of the expansion slots!? That seems odd to me, but either way, it seems like going forward charlie has a slight edge there by quite a bit?
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satellites, with one satellite to be located at each of the 61.9º W.L., 67º W.L., 77.2º W.L., 86.3º
W.L., 110° W.L., 114.5° W.L., 119° W.L., 124º W.L., 128.6º W.L., and 147.6º W.L. nominal
orbital locations. The satellites will use the 24.75-25.25 GHz band for BSS feeder uplinks, and
EchoStar currently plans to operate the feeder link and TT&C earth stations associated with its
DBS Expansion Band system in Cheyenne, Wyoming and Gilbert, Arizona, where EchoStar’s
primary existing earth station complexes are located"
I would say that beats the SNOT out of what D* is going to have ;0 Also keep in mind this is all on top of existing space inclusive of fss etc as well. So thats in theory 320 new DBS transponders. They can now fit 6 HD channels with the tandenburg MPEG 4. Thats 1920 in theory HD channels there.... Add the 64 (minus two i think for Skyangel at 61.5) now that they have, so 62 * 6 = 372. That is 2292 posible HD channels (in theory based on very good mpeg4 compression). Hrm.. beats 1500 I think!!! ;0 Keep in mind the 3 transponders @ 110 too.... FSS as well... MPEG4 being pushed eventually to all the SD... theres a goood chunk of possibility there for HD... Well some may snicker at those numbers... I think you should see clearly the basis for why I said that D* snoozed at the auction for these frequencies. I cant believe they didnt even get one of the expansion slots!? That seems odd to me, but either way, it seems like going forward charlie has a slight edge there by quite a bit?
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