you will expect to pay around $400 for the LG or Sony on ebay and upward of $599+ discouter (if found) or $699+ full retail.
"mostly the same firmware? How do you support that claim? The version's number means nothing when compared between companies. If you have v1.5 on your PC's motherboard and i have v1.5 on mine, does that mean they must be the same ? No. Although the "basic guts" of all these units are 95% the same, the software and firmware for all are distinct. AND CAN/DO make the difference, unless some engineer wants to post the proprietary hex dumps (the secret coding that seperates one from the other) of each box with it's latest firmware, buy it based on your wallet and live with it I guess.DaJoker said:Actually, they are mostly the same firmware, even down to version numbers.
charper1 said:"mostly the same firmware? How do you support that claim? The version's number means nothing when compared between companies. If you have v1.5 on your PC's motherboard and i have v1.5 on mine, does that mean they must be the same ? No. Although the "basic guts" of all these units are 95% the same, the software and firmware for all are distinct. AND CAN/DO make the difference, unless some engineer wants to post the proprietary hex dumps (the secret coding that seperates one from the other) of each box with it's latest firmware, buy it based on your wallet and live with it I guess.
DaJoker said:I never claimed they were EXACTLY the same, only that they all share the same versions, the same fixes with each version, etc.
You won't be sorry for the current state of the art it is up to date and has been reliable.dantem said:Getting these prices from eBay, other auction sites, and local private party sellers.
And I was wrong I can't get the LG for $250 brand new.. it was used. And I have seen used Sony's for around $450 on eBay.
In the end I may just go with the HTL-HD b/c I can get is cheapest.
The UI's look pretty similar in the manuals.charper1 said:The same versions of what? The same version numbers of different firware and different software. Thus the point is moot. I was not jumping on your explination, just mearly explaing to the user that asked that there IS a difference.
dantem said:Getting these prices from eBay, other auction sites, and local private party sellers.
And I was wrong I can't get the LG for $250 brand new.. it was used. And I have seen used Sony's for around $450 on eBay.
In the end I may just go with the HTL-HD b/c I can get is cheapest.
DaJoker said:And if I have a Tyan Triton 320 motherboard, and you have a Tyan Triton 320 motherboard and we both have bios version 1.5, aren't they basically the same even though I have a 40G drive and you have an 80G drive? Sure, we have different hardware, I bought mine from Dell, you from Gateway, but the basic guts are the same, and work functionally the same.
I never claimed they were EXACTLY the same, only that they all share the same versions, the same fixes with each version, etc. I do believe I noted that they did have minor differences. The firmware upgrades for all three versions of the receivers have been sent at the same time by D*, all have the same version number, and all contain the same basic fixes, because they all use the same basic hardware, and had the same bugs (audio dropouts, default All channels PG, etc)
Yes, I realize I am oversimplifying, and to some, that is reason enough to jump all over the explanation I guess.