OFFICIAL DISH / FOX ORDEAL DISCUSSION THREAD
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I have been with Dish for forever and like them, but that being said, they are a for profit company making money just like Fox. I appreciate the fact that they are fighting for the best possible deal. Be it Direct, Dish, Comcast, etc, the customer will always pay when programmers raise their prices. If Dish and others didn't negotiate with Fox and other programmers and keep them at least a little bit honest, God knows what we would all be paying for TV. Who's right? Who's wrong? Who knows. I just don't want to pay more than I already am!
Dollars to doughnuts, Fox is off the air on Dish come November 1st.:
I'm having a problem with this,if an individual does this it's called extortion and is a criminal offense.If a business does this it's business as usual?.
Here you decide:
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I've got to say this is a little ridiculous. I've been with Dish for years, and they always have these disputes. However, usually in the past, it's been for a few days or a week or so at most. Now it's months upon months. I still don't have many of my HD channels like ABC Family HD back yet and they have been gone several months. Now FX is gone. I'm all for trying to negotiate the best deal, but there is a point when it's just no longer worth it. More than I care about FX, I just want my HD channels back that I lost.
The whole Robin hood act wore off a long time ago. Whats the big deal with Fox wanting a 50% increase when Dish increased our rates twice in the last year and for some (including myself), equipment fees went up over 300%.
As much as I love Dish, the channel pulling needs to stop. Give us what we pay for already. Echostar/Dish is another great example of why this country is going down the toilet. Every decision is based on what will it do for our stock price. Charlie would screw all his customers just to eek out another penny.
As much as I love Dish, the channel pulling needs to stop. Give us what we pay for already. Echostar/Dish is another great example of why this country is going down the toilet. Every decision is based on what will it do for our stock price. Charlie would screw all his customers just to eek out another penny.
I'm having a problem with this,if an individual does this it's called extortion and is a criminal offense.If a business does this it's business as usual?.
Here you decide:
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Nobody is doing anything unlawful, so it's not extortion.
mike123abc said:
Murdoch does not own direct tv or has any contact with them. At one time Murdoch had a major stock position with dish network and it did not mean anything. Fox sport has let it be known with all providers that they want a 50% increase in fees they could care less about what tiers the program are on.
Maybe that is the reason for such slow negotiations. Charlie's own backyard isn't affected yet. He can watch all his local teams (Broncos, Avalanche, Nuggets and the Rockies when playing) without even dealing with conflict with Fox. I imagine by Nov 1, he might start to negotiate with a little more vigor than now, when he is in the same situation as others.
I just like to chime in. I used to be a D* sub and my experience with them was terrible. Plus, they say that they are the "Sports" provider. Well now, that is not true. I have a friend that had their NFL-ST. Most of the games that he wanted to watch were in fact blacked out on the NFL-ST. Which ticked him off big time. Then when WGN stopped carrying the WB on their national feed. There was no more WB. Which D* did not care about not having a national WB channel. So after 4 yrs of fighting with D* over that, including dropping all but 1 of my locals, which were ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox! Besides the price hikes in those 4 yrs with D*. I switched to E* and ever since been happy. I even own my own equiipment and NO 2-year contracts. So in other words, the grass is not always greener at D*. However this pow wow between Fox and Dish does need to be resolved but I am with E*. I will not let Fox bully me around. Murdock needs to wake up before he has a lawsuit on his hands.
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I'm having a problem with this,if an individual does this it's called extortion and is a criminal offense.If a business does this it's business as usual?.
Here you decide:
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its not extortion its business. fox has a product and has set a price on it
dish does not want to buy it for that. if enough people wont buy it then fox will change the pricing
The only games blacked out on NFLST would be your local teams home games that are not sold out. So if most of the games he wanted to watch were blackout out, he would not see those games on any system.
My local Fox station is not affected, but I would not want to lose Fox news or Fox Business channel. Also the RSN is something that I enjoy.
I guess maybe I am at the point that maybe all of them need to be gone from my life if this issue is not resolved soon. The cutoff by Fox is nothing more than FOX playing games with E* subs. Charlie saying he was concerned about raising our costs is a joke after the fee increases this past year.
Count me among the subs that are gone in the next few weeks if FOX is gone or if Fox comes back but with additional fee increases from Charlie.
I guess maybe I am at the point that maybe all of them need to be gone from my life if this issue is not resolved soon. The cutoff by Fox is nothing more than FOX playing games with E* subs. Charlie saying he was concerned about raising our costs is a joke after the fee increases this past year.
Count me among the subs that are gone in the next few weeks if FOX is gone or if Fox comes back but with additional fee increases from Charlie.
Is that established somewhere that they have given up their right to negotiate for themselves, or is that still just your theory?
I just believe that the contracts for these former O&O stations expire the same day.
Since there is such contempt between the two corporations, why not just let Fox have their way. But list their entire fox lineup as extra programming with an additional charges.
The way newscorp is going, about the only provider that will be left for their programming is direct.
All of our small local cable companies have dropped fox programming completely, except for the locals. Now I know why.
Newscorp must be a partner from hell to do business with.
The way newscorp is going, about the only provider that will be left for their programming is direct.
All of our small local cable companies have dropped fox programming completely, except for the locals. Now I know why.
Newscorp must be a partner from hell to do business with.
There was a quote somewhere from a bigwig at Local TV LLC that stated they've given Fox their proxy for the negotiations.HDRoberts said:
EDIT: Found it.
Sure. And they aren't owned by Fox or any of NewsCorp's subsidiaries any longer. DirecTV is now an independant company. You've missed quite a few transactions over the past couple of years if you believe Fox has anything to do with it.Jhon69 said:
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a year ago we lost our abc station in wa. it took 6 months to get it back, we sign up with aad to get our abc network. this might be something to look into for fox network in nov.
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