Learned a Painful lesson about External HDDs

So I don't have an external HDD, so i don't know if this is the case or not. But aren't they authorized to a single account? If it didn't require a sat connection, how could it be sure that it was being accessed with the right account? If they're not limited to an individual account, what's to stop two people from splitting the cost of an everything package- one person getting the package in their home to use and recording a bunch of movies from premium channels on an external HDD and taking them over to the other person's house where they can watch by somply connecting to their (not connected to a satellite) receiver.

Maybe I'm completely wrong and the authorization occurs at the individual receiver level, but it sounds like Dish is being careful of this by requiring satellite connection. Not that I agree, it sucks. But I can see why they'd want the receiver connected to a sat before enabling an external HDD.
 
Then enjoy not having it. It's not Charlie, but the studios and their DRM efforts.
I am sure tired of hearing this excuse. Charlie has a responsibility here. He is always talking about fighting to bring value to his customers. Well value is not just measured in price, but in ...value. Value like telling us during his chats that it's not him it's the studios. Value like encouraging his customers to call the studios and complain about the DRM. Value like taking a stand and telling the studios his customers don't want DRM and Dish won't carry their PPV and premium channels if DRM is attached. And by the way his DVR customers want to be able to make an archive copy of something that they can playback later without having to circumvent US Federal Law to do so. Anything but just caving on the issue without a word.

It IS Charlie, if he does nothing, he's an accomplice.

[this rant may actually be more appropriate to the general DRM issue on PPVs and Premiums but it fits this situation too]
 
It's hard to complain. We haven't really purchased the content. HBO is more like a rental. You drop HBO and you lose access.

At least we can still make permanent archivals to DVD.
 
I am sure tired of hearing this excuse. Charlie has a responsibility here. He is always talking about fighting to bring value to his customers. Well value is not just measured in price, but in ...value. Value like telling us during his chats that it's not him it's the studios. Value like encouraging his customers to call the studios and complain about the DRM. Value like taking a stand and telling the studios his customers don't want DRM and Dish won't carry their PPV and premium channels if DRM is attached. And by the way his DVR customers want to be able to make an archive copy of something that they can playback later without having to circumvent US Federal Law to do so. Anything but just caving on the issue without a word.

It IS Charlie, if he does nothing, he's an accomplice.

[this rant may actually be more appropriate to the general DRM issue on PPVs and Premiums but it fits this situation too]
Well said Pepper.
 
It's hard to complain. We haven't really purchased the content. HBO is more like a rental. You drop HBO and you lose access.

At least we can still make permanent archivals to DVD.
Oh for crying out loud!

No, it's not hard to complain at all. It's called "Fair Use" and being entitled to make copies for personal use.

We had it and they didn't like it but they put up with it as long as the quality of the copy was not as good as the original.

Now that the technologically exists to make decent quality copies, they've decided we can't be trusted with "Fair Use" and they're taking it away or relegating it to copies that, relatively speaking, look like crap.
 
The move limit has been lifted, albeit a few bugs.

I wouldn't be too sure about this yet either. Some of the CSR's that seemed to know more than your average 'out-of-the-country' CSR's seem to think that there is still a '3 receiver limit.' What this means is anyone's guess. It could be BS and probably is, it could also mean that you can only have up to three receivers tied to a household code, or it could mean that if you get 3 different household codes you are going to be forced to format. Personally I am hoping for the first option as I now have 1.8 terrabytes of external HD's slaved to my dish receivers.

Has anyone done the household code reset thing three times yet? It would be really nice to rule this one out.
 
I wouldn't be too sure about this yet either. Some of the CSR's that seemed to know more than your average 'out-of-the-country' CSR's seem to think that there is still a '3 receiver limit.' What this means is anyone's guess. It could be BS and probably is, it could also mean that you can only have up to three receivers tied to a household code, or it could mean that if you get 3 different household codes you are going to be forced to format. Personally I am hoping for the first option as I now have 1.8 terrabytes of external HD's slaved to my dish receivers.

Has anyone done the household code reset thing three times yet? It would be really nice to rule this one out.
It is a fact:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/1329439-post38.html
He corrected himself later...external hard drives.
 
It is a fact:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/1329439-post38.html
He corrected himself later...external hard drives.

What is a fact? Go ahead and be the guinea pig then please. Get more than three receivers in your house and move some HD"s around (I know, probably unlikely for most of us) or get your household code reset a bunch of times and tell us what happens. Or get a couple of broken receivers replaced and see if your external HD's still work. I see that maybe my post was a bit vague, I know that you can move your drives back and forth more than three times with two receivers but I was wondering what would happen in other extreme circumstances.
 
What is a fact? Go ahead and be the guinea pig then please. Get more than three receivers in your house and move some HD"s around (I know, probably unlikely for most of us) or get your household code reset a bunch of times and tell us what happens. Or get a couple of broken receivers replaced and see if your external HD's still work. I see that maybe my post was a bit vague, I know that you can move your drives back and forth more than three times with two receivers but I was wondering what would happen in other extreme circumstances.
I've moved between my 622 and 722 six or seven times. I don't have three receivers, so all I can say is what I've said. Both units have the same codes and all is well for me.
 
Oh for crying out loud!

No, it's not hard to complain at all. It's called "Fair Use" and being entitled to make copies for personal use.

We had it and they didn't like it but they put up with it as long as the quality of the copy was not as good as the original.

Now that the technologically exists to make decent quality copies, they've decided we can't be trusted with "Fair Use" and they're taking it away or relegating it to copies that, relatively speaking, look like crap.

It sounds like you are saying that a Moral Wrong is something that is not simple and might vary according to a particular person's situation... ;)

In fact, the MPAA might say about "Fair Use":

A Moral Wrong is not a Civil Right.
 

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