If they are so good then why all the carrying on about Torre making pitching changes?
2009 MLB Playoffs
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Because of his mismanagement of the pitching staff, he never allowed his starters to go deep and now when they have to, they are not capable of doing so. Because of his mismanagement, even though they have the best bullpen, they were overused. This overuse could have contributed to their ineffectiveness later on.
Anyone else question the move by Joe Girardi in yanking right hander David Robertson after 2 quick outs in the bottom of the 11th to put in another right hander, Alfredo Aceves? Aceves went on to give up two quick hits and the eventual winning run. Bad move Mr. Girardi. Bad move.
Yeah...me. And I'm not just questioning it now, when he was walking to mound I was saying 'you've got to be kidding me'. I don't care what some book tells you...sometimes what you see with your eyes is more important than what you see in a book.
Our eyes tell us Robertson has pitched wonderfully this post-season, while Aceves has been teetering on the edge. And Robertson had already recorded two easy outs in the inning.
For the record, whoever was up (after Abreu, Hunter and Guerrero all those Angel guys seem the same to me) was 1 for 2 lifetime against Robertson, with a strikeout. No word on whether the one hit was a 450 foot homer or a broken bat bloop. And he had NO history with Aceves. 0 for 0. And Girardi makes the change.
Girardi has been over-managing the bullpen the entire post-season, but the offense and the Twins' baserunning have rendered Girardi's selections moot. Last night it wasn't moot.
Two outs, nobody on, and he's treating the batter like he's...A-Rod or something. The BEST-CASE scenario is Aceves gets out of the inning and the game goes on...then what, Joe? You can't bring Robertson back in when the situation calls for it. You can't manage batter for batter. There are too many batters. This is two games in a row where only Gaudin is left in the bullpen. You just can't manage the extra innings like that.
Very difficult to watch a game where your manager does not put you in the best position to win. We had Texeira and A-Rod leading off the next inning, but thanks to Girardi we didn't get there.
Teams lose. The Rangers got thumped last night...it happens. Tortorella sat Lundqvist and played the backup goalie. It happens. The backup has to play sometime. Bad luck, you lose...you move on.
But this is different. This is the manager not seeing what everyone else saw. This is not second-guessing, as Robertson was walking off I felt exactly the same way Buck and McCarver did. Most every Yankee fan did.
Oh well, at least we can't blow a 3-0 lead again...
Sandra
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So much of the chances to see what most people want to see in the WS .. NY vs L.A
Here are the most likely combinations now, unless the guys in blue make history with a dramatic comeback...
Angels vs Phillies
Yankees vs Phillies
Either way, it's only a game
Here are the most likely combinations now, unless the guys in blue make history with a dramatic comeback...
Angels vs Phillies
Yankees vs Phillies
Either way, it's only a game
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KihPKUZni8Y&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Rivera spit ball Yankees vs Angles ALCS 10-19-09[/ame]
How long has he been doing this?
How long has he been doing this?
Wow, who knew? Obviously Aceves should start game 4 then. Why are the Yankees wasting their time with CC Sabathia?
You sound like Girardi.
Sandra
Watching game 7 of the 2003 ALCS and Big Papi just homered to put the Sox ahead of the Yankees, 5-2........top of the 8th!
The Sox need just six outs from their bullpen to win their first pennant in 17 years! :up
Pedro Martinez is toast, and Grady Little is sure to pull him, right?
RIGHT??????/
The Sox need just six outs from their bullpen to win their first pennant in 17 years! :up
Pedro Martinez is toast, and Grady Little is sure to pull him, right?
RIGHT??????/
...and it is a GLORIOUS day in Anaheim today! Not a cloud in the sky with a light breeze and a temperature that is "just right".
...and it is a GLORIOUS day in Anaheim today! Not a cloud in the sky with a light breeze and a temperature that is "just right".
Good luck to both teams tonight.
I was in CT last night, and watched both games from the Foxwoods sports bar! The joint was jumpin' big time! THAT'S what October baseball is all about! :up
Watching game 7 of the 2003 ALCS and Big Papi just homered to put the Sox ahead of the Yankees, 5-2........top of the 8th!
The Sox need just six outs from their bullpen to win their first pennant in 17 years! :up
Pedro Martinez is toast, and Grady Little is sure to pull him, right?
RIGHT??????/
Hopefully for the Red Sox, Little doesn't put Aceves in...
If you don't like how that one turns out just wait a year...it gets better for you.
Sandra
PHILADELPHIA - Those who watched the ninth inning of Game 4 in the National League Championship Series won't soon forget it.
Manny Ramirez wasn't one of those people.
When asked prior to Tuesday's workout how surprised he was to see Jimmy Rollins beat the Dodgers with a walk-off double into the right-center gap the night before, Ramirez said he was in the shower at the time.
"When I came out, they were turning the TVs off and everybody was coming in," Ramirez said.
Philadelphia's 5-4 victory gave the Phillies a 3-1 series lead and put Los Angeles on the brink of elimination.
Ramirez started the game in left field and went 1-for-4 with two runs scored before Juan Pierre replaced him for defensive purposes.
Los Angeles manager Joe Torre wasn't surprised or upset that his star player didn't watch the conclusion of Monday's game.
"Manny has so much confidence," Torre said. "When we get a lead late in the game, and I've taken him out, whether it be for defense or we have a big lead, when we go up to shake hands after the game, he's in his street clothes. "So, it's really nothing different than he's done before. I don't think it's disrespect or anything. He wasn't going anywhere until the game was over, and we can't put him back in the game."
Manny Ramirez wasn't one of those people.
When asked prior to Tuesday's workout how surprised he was to see Jimmy Rollins beat the Dodgers with a walk-off double into the right-center gap the night before, Ramirez said he was in the shower at the time.
"When I came out, they were turning the TVs off and everybody was coming in," Ramirez said.
Philadelphia's 5-4 victory gave the Phillies a 3-1 series lead and put Los Angeles on the brink of elimination.
Ramirez started the game in left field and went 1-for-4 with two runs scored before Juan Pierre replaced him for defensive purposes.
Los Angeles manager Joe Torre wasn't surprised or upset that his star player didn't watch the conclusion of Monday's game.
"Manny has so much confidence," Torre said. "When we get a lead late in the game, and I've taken him out, whether it be for defense or we have a big lead, when we go up to shake hands after the game, he's in his street clothes. "So, it's really nothing different than he's done before. I don't think it's disrespect or anything. He wasn't going anywhere until the game was over, and we can't put him back in the game."
Hopefully for the Red Sox, Little doesn't put Aceves in...
If you don't like how that one turns out just wait a year...it gets better for you.
Sandra
As a lifetime Red Sox fan it pains me to say this, BUT..............
The '04 ALCS was the "even a blind squirrel can find a nut" moment, in the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry.
Just keeping it real................
