OFFICIAL DISH / FOX ORDEAL DISCUSSION THREAD

[PopcornNMore]

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. Charlie is simply looking out for their subscribers by not giving in to these ridiculous channel increases that FOX is demanding which in turn would raise the monthly cost of the channel packages. As soon as Dish Network gives in so will DirecTV and CATV. Someone has to stand up to these programmers.

If I were Charlie I would tell FOX to go to hell and pull EVERY FOX channel available and replace with similar programming from other channel suppliers. Just like he did with the Weather Channel awhile back.

 

[mdram]

I don't understand why everyone is so upset. Charlie is simply looking out for their subscribers by not giving in to these ridiculous channel increases that FOX is demanding which in turn would raise the monthly cost of the channel packages. As soon as Dish Network gives in so will DirecTV and CATV. Someone has to stand up to these programmers.

If I were Charlie I would tell FOX to go to hell and pull EVERY FOX channel available and replace with similar programming from other channel suppliers. Just like he did with the Weather Channel awhile back.

if dish hadnt raised reciver fees you might have a valid point
but since they did, its obvious charlie doesnt care
dish may have the lowest package cost, but it has the highest fees

 

[Curtis0620]

I'd love to have the stations back but, I do not want my bill to go up. The reason I have a hard time siding with Dish is I get tired of hearing the line "we are trying to keep cost down for our customers." If that was true then they would not raise our fees almost every February, and like they did a few months ago. Dish wants to raise prices, all companies do, they always want more money. If they could get away with it, they would raise prices every month so all the bs about not wanting to raise prices gets on my last nerve. If Dish really cared about the customer, they would lower their prices during this dispute since they are not having to pay Fox right now. If the Disney and Fox channel never come back, will the Dish lower our rates, I mean they aren't having to pay as much so why should we? That's why all this talk from Charlie is complete bs; just get the deal done and bring the channels back because, we all know you are going to raise our rates in February no matter what happens with Fox and Disney.

I'm more upset right now because there are still HD stations that Dish has not added (ESPNU and MLB come to mind) yet we are now losing more channels with nothing new coming in sight.

Since they are not asking for a rate increase, but to only be included in AT120, your rate should not go up.

The only ones that should see a rate increase would be the AT120 customers. And ironically, they haven't lost these channels. Kinda funny, huh?

 

[MSoper72]

if dish hadnt raised reciver fees you might have a valid point
but since they did, its obvious charlie doesnt care
dish may have the lowest package cost, but it has the highest fees

True, there is always a catch 22.

 

[uncrules]

From Fox's getwhatipaidfor website this is the complete list of local channels that could go dark on E* on November 1st.


* Atlanta
* Austin
* Boston
* Chicago
* Cleveland/Akron
* Dallas
* Denver
* Detroit
* Gainesville, FL
* Greensboro/Winston-Salem, NC
* Houston
* Kansas City
* Los Angeles
* Memphis
* Minneapolis
* Milwaukee
* New York
* Orlando
* Philadelphia
* Phoenix
* St. Louis
* Salt Lake City
* Tampa
* Washington D.C.
* Baltimore (MyNet 24)

GetWhatIPaidFor :: Stories

This list is more than just O&O. A couple of years ago Fox sold some of those stations. However, for those stations their carriage agreement was done while part of Fox so they are expiring with the other O&O. As Greg pointed out earlier those station's agreements are being negotiated by Fox.

My local Fox affiliate (Greensboro/Winston-Salem, NC) is one of those stations that used to be O&O but got sold. They are running commercials that they could disappear from Dish on November 1st.

 

[mdram]

so fox is just tying to get its stations offered to more viewers.

 

[smackman1]

That kind of thinking is why people now pay north of $100 for tv service and why we'll never see ala carte. Just give the programmers whatever they want.

BS... Are you saying Dish is not a profitable company? $6 dollar fee for DVR service is fair? What about Dish putting the local channels in HD on another satellite and want to charge the consumer $95 dollars to move the consumer's dish to the eastern arc?......

Maybe Dish should be more reasonable also. Dish network as well as all other providers screw the consumer.

Pony up Charlie or you will lose many customers to DTV over this stupid dispute.

Surely you do not believe all the crying Charlie is doing.

Here is another side to this story.

GetWhatIPaidFor :: Get What I Paid For

 

[DodgerKing]

Oh really.. DodgeKing, I was with D* from 1996 to 2000 .. Plus they still send me letters to come back but I just put them through the shredder. Besides I own my equipment from E* and have no 2-year contracts. Which I can go further, I used to be a technician for D* in Austin, Tx. I can say their slimline is a pain to get setup. Cause if you are off just a little on the alignment. You will not pick up there two HD programming sats. Which the 1000.4 is a much better design and easier to pick up 61.5, 72.7, and 77 sats. I can go on.. I have the birdog ultra sat meter with both D*, E*, Wildblue, Hughesnet, and Starband programmed in it. Which the technicians in Austin, Tx. for D* use on their job sites.

First of all, NFL ST games are not blacked out. The only ones blacked out are the local ones which are shown on your local networks anyway

Second, Direct did not drop all of the locals in any market. So you statement about them dropping all of your locals except for one is also false

 

[Curtis0620]

so fox is just tying to get its stations offered to more viewers.

yes.

 

[Oblong Desoto]

Good riddance Rupert

As far as I'm concerned, Dish can discontinue carriage of all Fox-owned networks and reduce my bill by $5-$10 per month.

I can get my local affiliate OTA, and frankly the programming quality has gone downhill on NatGeo. Don't care about Fox Business, Fox Movie Classics, Fox News, FX, Speed, FUEL, or really any of their sports holdings.

Ok... I would miss watching Cardinal's baseball, but listening on KMOX is a perfectly acceptable and free alternative. Maybe I'll take the money I save and go to Busch Stadium a couple more times per year.

If Dish raises my rates in order to pay News Corp's ransom, then maybe I should take the opportunity to break my family's TV addiction by canceling. There are so many ways we could use that time better.

 

[Tyralak]

Everyone bitches and moans when te February price increases roll around but they don't have the stomach to deal with a little disruption to push back on these guys. I've got no sympathy for those people. If we lose some of the channels for a while, I'll just get the shows from those channels through other means. Hulu, network web site, torrents or whatever.

 

[wolfjc]

BS... Are you saying Dish is not a profitable company? $6 dollar fee for DVR service is fair? What about Dish putting the local channels in HD on another satellite and want to charge the consumer $95 dollars to move the consumer's dish to the eastern arc?......

Well they changed me to the eastern arch and did not charge me anything but I did sign a 2 year agreement.

 

[whatchel1]

That is a price increase

so fox is just tying to get its stations offered to more viewers.

Well what that means is that E* will be paying for many more subs than they do now. Also they are trying to get an increase in the pricing of the Fox sports nets. So they will get just a little less than ESPN does for it's channels.

 

[wolfjc]

I would pay extra if they lost that channel today.

You folks who hate FOX News have you NEVER heard of NOT tuning into it?
There are sure a LOT of folks who do watch FOX News because all you have to do is look at the ratings to see that all of FOX's evening shows have huge lead over ALL the other cable news shows.

 

[DodgerKing]

I would pay extra if they lost that channel today.

So you would pay more money to not watch it instead of paying the same money to do the same thing? That makes a lot of sense

 

[mdram]

Well what that means is that E* will be paying for many more subs than they do now. Also they are trying to get an increase in the pricing of the Fox sports nets. So they will get just a little less than ESPN does for it's channels.

i can see an increase in the sports net, they have to pay the leagues for transmission rights, im sure that goes up every year.
heck they gave the nfl 1billion for the rights to the nflticket

 

[KAB]

Everyone bitches and moans when te February price increases roll around but they don't have the stomach to deal with a little disruption to push back on these guys. I've got no sympathy for those people. If we lose some of the channels for a while, I'll just get the shows from those channels through other means. Hulu, network web site, torrents or whatever.

:up:up:up

 

[pendragon]

Not surprisingly because we have little interest in any of the FOX channels, I'm with Dish on this one. Putting that aside, I'm frustrated that the extreme channel bundling strategy employed by Dish and other providers tends to cause this problem to keep on giving. Corporations like FOX must drool over forcing ludicrous prices that will be amortized over all of Dish's subscribers, none of whom can say no.

I would very much prefer an a la carte model where I would choose only the channel sets I was actually going to watch. I know this would likely result in paying close to what I already do, for far fewer channels. For me that is perfectly fine. I have no interest in subsidizing the 95% of the channels we never use. But the real benefit would be that outfits like FOX would then have ownership in selling their channels. If they jacked up their prices too high, fewer subscribers would enroll in their package and they would receive a net lower revenue stream. The laws of supply and demand would be allowed to operate.

 

[RedWings]

I hope DirecTv is stocking up on equipment. Because come Nov 1 when people start losing their local fox affiliates, they are going to switch. They are not going to care about the details of any dispute. Dish is going to lose in the end if they keep this dumb sh*t up.

 

[RollTide1017]

Ok but its sort of naive to think that your rates are going to stay the same over the entire time you signed up for dontcha think? If it bothers you then switch, but I guarantee you that no matter who you sign with, rates are going to climb over a multi year deal. The first part of your post kinda says it all.

That's my point, they raise rates every year. I'm fine with that because, that is just the way it is. Don't like it but, it happens everywhere. My point was that I'm tired of hearing Charlie say things like "we are trying to keep cost down for our customers." We all know that is not true because we all know that no matter what happens with Fox and Disney, our rates are going up, and Dish probably already has determined about how much they will increase. Basically, don't use Fox and Disney as the excuse for rate increases when you were going to raise them anyway.

Look at it this way. If they keep saying things like that and they lose the Fox and Disney channels for good (yes, I know that is unlikely) but, they raise rates in February anyway; people will ask "why did my rates go up when we lost all these channels and you said it was to keep prices down?"