DirecTV - Self install, new account?

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Hi folks -- long time viewer of the forum, finally registered an account here.

I've read older threads regarding self-install -- but since the AT&T takeover, I do not know how relevant some of these threads are.


I'm looking to purchase a HD receiver from a vendor (SolidSignal, etc), and install it myself. I want to then activate a new account with this self install.


Does AT&T/DirecTV allow this? Do they give out promo pricing with a self install or is it full price? I assume this is more like a RV install to them -- do they have a special department that handles these types of things?


Thanks!
 
D* doesn't offer Self Installs any longer, been gone a long time now.

Now if you have an account with them and MOVE (physically move) and set your own up, they would probably go for that ok.
At least they did when I did it, but that was actually about 18 years ago ... wow, its been that long ... yikes.
 
Thanks for the responses.

Well, this is a bummer.
They offer IPTV service here on their Osprey boxes (AT&T TV), but i'd rather use the radiation from space.


Have a good one.
 
Why dude?

Unless your in CANADA or are trying to stack accounts, just let them install It for free.

Who do you want to go through ShoddySignal.com, buy all the equipment at full price, activate it as leased equipment and see ShoddySignal get paid for all the equipment, another dish, and for a full pro Install to the tune of $500.

If you want to do your own install?

Go and call Directv and go get a cold beer and a lawn chair. When the Directv installer shows up, you can do your own install as he sits there and watches while drinking beer.
 
Not sure why they care - sure they can prevent accounts located elsewhere than where they are 'supposed' to be, but in the age of streaming is that really much of a concern anymore since there are easier ways to cheat the system? Not to mention the "moving" loophole.
 
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I can remember along time ago when you could walk in to a Best Buy or Circuit City and buy receivers & install kits. Most people just needed to only see 101° so it was a plain old 18 inch dish. Install and call to activate new service. Do they really care about "moving" these days or is account stacking their main focus?. I would think stacking is important for lost revenue. Folks that have moved are still a paying sub even though it's a violation of Directv's TOS. I suppose people who have "moved" and are account stacking at the same time well then Direct would really care then.
 
Last time I got directv I had the pole down, dish aimed and it all wired. Installer asked me if I wanted a job. I told him no what I wanted was the boxes he had on his truck then he could drink the bottle of water I gave him while I hooked it up then he could make his phone call to activate them. He said it was the easiest install he ever did. I told him the only reason he was there was Directv didn't give me a choice. He thought he was gonna ding my install with signal quality but the look of disbelief when the 99-100's started rolling in was priceless. I told him the 5 dishes in my back yard already didn't get there organically... LOL
 
Last time I got directv I had the pole down, dish aimed and it all wired. Installer asked me if I wanted a job. I told him no what I wanted was the boxes he had on his truck then he could drink the bottle of water I gave him while I hooked it up then he could make his phone call to activate them. He said it was the easiest install he ever did. I told him the only reason he was there was Directv didn't give me a choice. He thought he was gonna ding my install with signal quality but the look of disbelief when the 99-100's started rolling in was priceless. I told him the 5 dishes in my back yard already didn't get there organically... LOL
They take a real special fertilizer ....
 
If they really cared about "stacking" they could have addressed it years ago by having SWM receivers check the serial number of the SWM they are connected to for residential installs. I'm not sure if the old SWM chips have a unique serial number but if not they could have given them one. Make sure all the receivers see the same serial number, or set of serial numbers in the fairly rare customers who have more than one SWM switch. If you're going to have everything installed by a professional, end users aren't going to replace their LNB or switch anyway so installers could take care of updating that info as part of the install process and the serial numbers would be on Directv's servers and sent through the satellite during activation/re-activation to be stored on the cards to allow the receivers do to the check.

They could have addressed the abuses of "moving" they most care about (people claiming they live in NY or LA when nowhere near those places, or located in Canada/Mexico) by having the receiver check that the '0's for spot beams match the 0s they would expect to see if the customer is truthful about their service location.

So I'm not sure I buy the ban on self-installs as having anything to do with stacking. Claude's explanation makes the most sense, but enforcing the IVR limits on new installs would seem to effectively address that. Building in some diagnostics so receivers could do their own troubleshooting and warn customers when they had install problems (i.e. seeing too low of numbers on certain transponders consistently, and running a DECA test at night once a week to see if there are problems with internal wiring) would have let customers know when something was wrong - and they could either try to fix it themselves or get charged full price for an installer visit to fix issues with a self-install.

My bet is that Directv will either start charging for installs or stop doing them entirely (referring people to third parties etc.) at some point, once AT&T TV is fully rolled out and they feel confident in it. They'll want to encourage customers to choose it since it is cheaper for AT&T to deploy, and the best way to do that would be by making customers who want satellite pay the difference in deployment cost by paying for the install.
 
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Just an update - it is doable. Folks at Solidsignal are a big help.


As for the Why? I live in an apartment that prohibits satellite installs on the property (I don't need an education of the FCC rules) re: balcony mounting.

Neighbor moved out and has a newer DTV Slimline 3 dish already mounted to the roof (she was friends with the old property manager who allowed the install) -- I commandeered the cable and everything is ready for use.


I find it ridiculous to have DTV out as they will most likely not want to use the "old" equipment on the roof, and most of all - I can do a much better install then they can.
 
If they really cared about "stacking" they could have addressed it years ago by having SWM receivers check the serial number of the SWM they are connected to for residential installs. I'm not sure if the old SWM chips have a unique serial number but if not they could have given them one. Make sure all the receivers see the same serial number, or set of serial numbers in the fairly rare customers who have more than one SWM switch. If you're going to have everything installed by a professional, end users aren't going to replace their LNB or switch anyway so installers could take care of updating that info as part of the install process and the serial numbers would be on Directv's servers and sent through the satellite during activation/re-activation to be stored on the cards to allow the receivers do to the check.

They could have addressed the abuses of "moving" they most care about (people claiming they live in NY or LA when nowhere near those places, or located in Canada/Mexico) by having the receiver check that the '0's for spot beams match the 0s they would expect to see if the customer is truthful about their service location.

So I'm not sure I buy the ban on self-installs as having anything to do with stacking. Claude's explanation makes the most sense, but enforcing the IVR limits on new installs would seem to effectively address that. Building in some diagnostics so receivers could do their own troubleshooting and warn customers when they had install problems (i.e. seeing too low of numbers on certain transponders consistently, and running a DECA test at night once a week to see if there are problems with internal wiring) would have let customers know when something was wrong - and they could either try to fix it themselves or get charged full price for an installer visit to fix issues with a self-install.

My bet is that Directv will either start charging for installs or stop doing them entirely (referring people to third parties etc.) at some point, once AT&T TV is fully rolled out and they feel confident in it. They'll want to encourage customers to choose it since it is cheaper for AT&T to deploy, and the best way to do that would be by making customers who want satellite pay the difference in deployment cost by paying for the install.


Although that would be a solution, I don’t think it’s worth the hassle every time there is a SWM registration error, or an LNB or switch gets replaced have to go back and update the SWM serial number. It’s just going to crest un necessary calls to customer service.

I don’t think either provider cares about stacking these days, they are just trying to survive and retain customers.

A customer who is stacking is good for the providers in 3 ways...

1) it’s the content providers who are the ones getting ripped off. Dish, Directv are still collecting their $7 fee for the additional box.

2) Customers who are account stacking usually buy all their equipment. Rarely get free equipment for fear of a tech coming to their house and reporting them. (Like the techs really care)

3) these customers never request free service calls

4) these are stickier customers and are not switching providers any time soon.

Look at what Dish tried to do with the audit department. I saw this first hand, here is what was happening.

A) The innocent legit customers who got harassed would end up disconnecting out of frustration.

B) The ones they caught, would just gather all the receivers from their friends house, do they audit, connect the phone, let it dial out from the same number, call back and pass the audit and then business as usual.

C) The ones they did catch and refuse to activate, would go ahead and just open another account under a different name.

D) In rare, rare cases I would see a customer agree to split the accounts and pay separate bills for each receiver. I had many many clients back then, many of them rich customers in Mexico and the Caribbean. Money wasn’t the issue they just wanted American Tv. One customer didn’t want to be bothered, and decided to pay for 4 accounts.

Dish networks audit department was costing them more accounts then they where able to create.

I had customers back in the day I knew this was going on. I did care somewhat as I could have gotten (2) accounts out of it. However at the same time, those same customers wouldn’t have gotten any accounts from me if I had tried to enforce dish’s stupid policies.

I never actually stacked an account, but at the same time I didn’t ask If they where all going in the same house when I sold them.

Obviously If someone wanted 10 receivers, I would say something.
 
I still have a NIB DTV self install kit. Does that mean its not worth anything?