Purchased receiver fees

[pattykay]

A deactivated Hopper 3 (or any other Hopper-interface stand-alone receiver) will continue to work... ...If you lease your receiver, then when you cancel you have to return it to Dish. So then you end up with nothing.

I forgot to mention another advantage of keeping a deactivated purchased Hopper: you can continue to have access to all of the recordings that are on the internal hard drive. (External hard drive recordings would still require active service on the same account from which they were originally stored.) With a leased Hopper, you would either lose all recordings when you cancel service, or have to pay a hefty non-return equipment fee to be able to keep them.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I forgot to mention another advantage of keeping a deactivated purchased Hopper: you can continue to have access to all of the recordings that are on the internal hard drive. (External hard drive recordings would still require active service on the same account from which they were originally stored.) With a leased Hopper, you would either lose all recordings when you cancel service, or have to pay a hefty non-return equipment fee to be able to keep them.

I still can use my deactivated hopper for ota recordings . I kept it hooked up after I cancelled last December and it continues to work . I can even get auto skip on my ota locals like I could the satellite locals. I also have a ton of movies on external hard drive that I can still access.

 

[pattykay]

I still can use my deactivated hopper for ota recordings . I kept it hooked up after I cancelled last December and it continues to work . I can even get auto skip on my ota locals like I could the satellite locals. I also have a ton of movies on external hard drive that I can still access.

That is good to know. I remember reading posts from people who put their service on "Pause" (paying $5 per month to keep the account active) who could not access recordings from any external hard drive. Yet now someone who no longer has a Dish account active at all can still play them. I should have remembered from my own experience that I have been able to transfer recordings from a deactivated Hopper to an external hard drive and successfully play them. I still had active programming on my account with a different receiver at the time, though. So, I assumed that having the account active somehow kept the EHD authorization active even though the Hopper itself was not active.

 

[dishdude]

I still can use my deactivated hopper for ota recordings . I kept it hooked up after I cancelled last December and it continues to work . I can even get auto skip on my ota locals like I could the satellite locals. I also have a ton of movies on external hard drive that I can still access.

Interesting. They used to disable OTA use all together when service was cancelled.

 

[pattykay]

Interesting. They used to disable OTA use all together when service was cancelled.

That must have been a long time ago. As I recall, they started leaving OTA enabled on deactivated receivers when All American Direct started offering service on Dish equipment. So, there may have been cases where the receiver was no longer active for Dish service, but was still being legitimately used for some service. After All American Direct went out of business, Dish never changed the OTA authorization requirement back to what it had been before that.

 

[MikeD-C05]

Interesting. They used to disable OTA use all together when service was cancelled.

Haven't on mine. I thought it would become a useless brick but it didn't. The Joeys also work connected to the hopper. So ota can be used in all 3 rooms.

 

[MikeD-C05]

That is good to know. I remember reading posts from people who put their service on "Pause" (paying $5 per month to keep the account active) who could not access recordings from any external hard drive. Yet now someone who no longer has a Dish account active at all can still play them. I should have remembered from my own experience that I have been able to transfer recordings from a deactivated Hopper to an external hard drive and successfully play them. I still had active programming on my account with a different receiver at the time, though. So, I assumed that having the account active somehow kept the EHD authorization active even though the Hopper itself was not active.

No the account has been deactivated as of last December when I cancelled. I didn't change the setup in any room . So I can use the Joeys in the other 2 rooms for ota as well. So I was surprised that I could still keep it hooked up and use it for Ota and to watch my external hard drive full of movies. But I did pay for the receiver and the ota usb adapters, so maybe they don't have that many receivers that are purchased around the country so they don't care about it.

 

[pattykay]

Haven't on mine. I thought it would become a useless brick but it didn't. The Joeys also work connected to the hopper. So ota can be used in all 3 rooms.

I know someone who will be glad to hear that. Have you read HopperGenie's recent threads in this forum?

 

[tsunami2311]

Hopper owned or leased, cost the same, As i tried ask them what fee 15$ was for they said it was for leasing, I then ask why am I pay 15$ month for my second hopper 3 they then said it was same if it owned or leased. They went on to say that if you owned the joeys the 7$ would month would drop to 5$..

I remeber when Dish had solo DVR boxes how i miss them, first DVR box was free everyone after that was charged for. which actual cost less for 4 solo dvr, then a 2 hoppers and 2 joeys, Till dish decided to can solo dvr boxes and double monthly cost for them, which why in the end i had hopper system. which i still hate.

solo dvr 4k box please. less the find way to seperate all recording and timers only that person there stuff via some toggle that make said joey act like solo box, i just dont like idea of 1 box serve them all and have mess in dvr and timers too boot

 

[pattykay]

Hopper owned or leased, cost the same, As i tried ask them what fee 15$ was for they said it was for leasing, I then ask why am I pay 15$ month for my second hopper 3 they then said it was same if it owned or leased. ...

And that is total BS!!! That is the one part of the purchased equipment price chart that people actually took pictures of, and posted in the thread I linked earlier. Here is one such post:

2021 Dish Prices

Our second owned H2 dropped to $5 with the first owned H2 remaining at a grandfathered $12. Our Joey also dropped to $5. I didn't have to make any calls, it showed up on the bill that way... Thanks for posting. I had been wondering how this was working for those who have more than one of the...

www.satelliteguys.us

And here is the picture from that post:

Notice that if you own your second Hopper 3, the service fee should only be $5 per month. Also note that Dish requires everyone with two Hopper 3's to purchase at least one of them. So, I think someone at Dish realized that this change would give everyone with two Hopper 3's an automatic $10 per month discount (as the chart above shows) and went "Nope! Not on my watch!"

Granted, this chart is from the early 2021 price changes. Still, if this rate has changed at all since that time, then Dish should have included that change on the more updated price change chart, but they didn't. Dish's silence on this issue is deafening. At the very least, Dish should have an updated chart somewhere on their site that lists all of the possible equipment fees, just like the thread starter was asking for in the first place.

 

[CLASSICDIRECTV]

No the account has been deactivated as of last December when I cancelled. I didn't change the setup in any room . So I can use the Joeys in the other 2 rooms for ota as well. So I was surprised that I could still keep it hooked up and use it for Ota and to watch my external hard drive full of movies. But I did pay for the receiver and the ota usb adapters, so maybe they don't have that many receivers that are purchased around the country so they don't care about it.

Wow! That’s good news that the joeys work because I’m about to buy a hopper 2 with 1 super Joey and 2 normal joeys.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I know someone who will be glad to hear that. Have you read HopperGenie's recent threads in this forum?

Yes I did, but I don't know how successful he will be with his setup.

 

[CLASSICDIRECTV]

Yes I did, but I don't know how successful he will be with his setup.

Do you have experience with wireless joeys? I found a better deal which contains of a hopper 2 a wireless access point 2 and a wireless Joey

 

[Jim5506]

My observation it that both your Hoppers must be owned for that to work, otherwise they place the owned one as primary with the $15 DVR fee ($0 lease fee) and the leased one as secondary with the $15 lease fee.

 

[hdflsts2002]

Ok here's a little background and a lot of pain on my part behind this post.

I have H3 leased 4k Joey leased wireless Joey leased and a 722k owned (for the motorhome) on my account. I never really bothered to check what I would be billed for the 722k as I might only have it on a week or two at a time and end up with a prorated monthly rate anyhow.

In looking at my Mother-in-law's bill the day I first posted this, she has a 722 leased and another 722 that I gave her, she is paying $15 DVR fee (no arguments there) and $17 additional receiver (there's the argument). So I call and the CSR says it's $15 for one receiver and $17 for the other. I explain that with dish the first receiver is free and that the $15 is a DVR fee and the second receiver should be at a reduced rate. I thought $7 but maybe $10 but certainly not $17. He stood by his first statement. I said no the $15 is a DVR fee the first receiver is free. He insisted Dish does not have free receivers. I said ok if she had a 222 ONLY on the account what would the equipment fee be? He insisted $15 Ok so made no progress there. Ended up pausing the account as she had passed a few month previous. We left the account on as her son who was sick was staying there, but now the wife and I were taking her brother to TX to be treated.

So here I sit at an RV park in TX and I figure what the hey let's try a chat and see where we get. So I get someone on chat named Yi I ask what the monthly fee for a purchased 722 as an additional receiver on an account would be. $7 was their reply as well as saying that they found that change for purchased receivers in the 11/16/2021 price change!!!! WooHoo I'm getting somewhere. So now I type out the reason for the chat. Poof I have someone new on the line. Apparently Dish chat disconnects if you are inactive for more than 90 seconds and by inactive that means you haven't hit send not that you weren't still typing!!!! WTF

So I go through the whole thing with the new person who says no $17 is correct because there are 2 DVRs on the account. At that point I had them pull up my account and asked what the fee was on my 722k. $7 again WTF (no I didn't really say that but thought it loudly) Ok please explain that. Well your mother-in-law has 2 DVRs. WAIT so do I H3 and 722k. Oh but that is because she has obsolete equipment. So do I!! We went round and round and the best this person could do was every few minutes say see my post above and have I explained this clearly. NO you haven't both accounts have 2 DVRs both have what you are considering obsolete equipment yet one is paying $7 and the other is paying $17

I said can you show me anywhere where in the price structure it says you pay x amount for a receiver if you have XYZ on your account but you pay x+10 if you have different hardware on your account? The pricing is based on the equipment that is active and if it is purchased or leased. The reply was did you read my post above have I explained this clearly to you? At that point I said let's just end the chat now before one or both of us says something we will regret.

Why is this so difficult????

As Steve Harvey would say, "And now you know the rest of the story"

 

[N6BY]

I still can use my deactivated hopper for ota recordings . I kept it hooked up after I cancelled last December and it continues to work . I can even get auto skip on my ota locals like I could the satellite locals. I also have a ton of movies on external hard drive that I can still access.

Very interesting. I recently had one of my Lifetime TiVos die. I could buy a used Hopper 3 on eBay with an OTA dongle and it would be similar to having a Lifetime TiVo.

Would this work with a brand new (never activated) Hopper 3, or only a used (previously activated) receiver?

 

[MikeD-C05]

Do you have experience with wireless joeys? I found a better deal which contains of a hopper 2 a wireless access point 2 and a wireless Joey

Sorry dude I only have wired joeys

 

[MikeD-C05]

Very interesting. I recently had one of my Lifetime TiVos die. I could buy a used Hopper 3 on eBay with an OTA dongle and it would be similar to having a Lifetime TiVo.

Would this work with a brand new (never activated) Hopper 3, or only a used (previously activated) receiver?

I would think you would have to be activated ,so you could add the ota dongle. It won't let you get very far till you authorize it through DISH. Buy your own receiver and get DISH for a month and then cancel if you want. Then you ota should continue to work. But I can't guarantee it will work that way for every one or their situation. I had my DISH account for 25 years and was on pause the last 6 months. I don't know if they forgot to turn the feature off or they changed the way it will work from the older Vip receivers. I also have an old deactivated 211k and the built in ota tuner does still work for live ota reception, but the dvr feature doesn't work any longer because they turned the external hard drive off when I deactivated it.

 

[CLASSICDIRECTV]

Very interesting. I recently had one of my Lifetime TiVos die. I could buy a used Hopper 3 on eBay with an OTA dongle and it would be similar to having a Lifetime TiVo.

Would this work with a brand new (never activated) Hopper 3, or only a used (previously activated) receiver?

You can bypass activation, It’s usually a code

 

[CLASSICDIRECTV]

Very interesting. I recently had one of my Lifetime TiVos die. I could buy a used Hopper 3 on eBay with an OTA dongle and it would be similar to having a Lifetime TiVo.

Would this work with a brand new (never activated) Hopper 3, or only a used (previously activated) receiver?

Also you have to have a sat for it to tune to ota channels