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I was just going to post the same... was curious when Phoenix HD locals were going live. Since it's looking like June, and many network series are over by May, I'll probably just wait until August or September for Football and Lost and everything else to start up again. :)

Not at all, Charper -- simply to dispel this notion that's promulgated that HDLite is 'no big deal.' It was that attitude among the D* fans here that got me sucked into signing up for D* in the first place. D* doesn't have to list specs -- I subscribed to their HD service. HD is 16:9 at 720p...

...as I was. Answering with some specious, BS answer like 'they both are providing what they can' is ludicrous. It seems when someone actually *does* have something to add -- ie, real people with real disappointment about D*s dumbed down HDLite -- the response from most of the people here is...

...(canceled service as of last Friday). If you think 1280x1080 = 1920x1080, then you're not only blind, but bad at math as well. But I'm not a Dish fanboy, just a full HD fanboy... I was the whore for Cox's full hd as well when I could get it. I'd shill for D* too if they could deliver the...

So you don't feel HDLite is an issue for people thinking of making the switch? Funny how some are more willing to chalk the 'failures and mistakes' up to consumers than to the provider that is being less-than-honest with a service they provide. I'm posting the HDLite link as a caveat...

Well, I'll admit the link is a little misleading -- I found the BBB rating link at the StopHD Lite site. If anyone would like to make a compelling argument as to why an E* HD subscriber enjoying 1920x1080 HD should downgrade to HDLite, I'm all ears (or eyes, a the case may be).

Stop HDLite Wish I had found this before I switched from E* to D*. If you're happy with your current D* HD, that's great -- move along, nothing to see here. If you're an E* HD subscriber and thinking of switching, then read this and re-consider.

No, just that people like me that raise a complaint about D*s horrendous HD quality, and D* fanboys/apologists/water carriers like you tell us we're blind when we can clearly tell the difference between 1280x1080 (D*) and 1920x1080 (E*).

From what I understand, D* won't be full HD until Q3/4 2007. I made the switch from E* (811) to D*s H20 2 weeks ago for local HD (I can't get OTA). The difference in HD quality was astounding. I cancelled D* two days ago and ate about $280. Thankfully, something told me a few weeks back to...

Well, then we all lose -- I'm out $280, the sponsor is out $500, adn D* is out of a 2 year subscriber. Hurray for capitalism and dumbed down HD. I *DID* read READ **READ** -- that's not the point. I spent HOURS* here reading up on D*. There were very few mentions of HD Lite, and the few...

...had. I'm taking a shot and sending in the rebate anyway -- the only requirements stated on teh rebate form are a receipt and proof of signing the D* agreement, which I have both. Says/mentions nothing of early termination. Now I get to start the fun process of seeing whe E* rolls local HD...

...on Mac OS X because of Apple's firewire SDK (I have many PC friends that have bought dirt cheap Mac G4s with firewire just to do what we do (or I *did*, back in the cable days). So while you're checking e-mail and midget football scores, Mac people are burning/editing 16:9 and hi-def content...

When did I say I was watching TV on my computer? I recorded HD shows on my computer -- for free -- when HD DVRs were well over $1000. And with a 30" Apple LCD, why *not*?

It was firewire via the Cox Scientific Atlanta HD receiver. I ran a cable from the firewire port to my Mac, turning it into a Hi Def DVR. As far as I know, no satellite receiver/dvr has firewire (last I checked, that may have changed).

...Atlantic HD receiver] While this is subjective, it's also clear the service I had with Dish (actually, still have, because I never cancelled) was also 'full' HD, with the exception of a few channels. The difference -- at least on my set (46" CRT) between E* and D*'s HD is like night and day.

According to the DirecTV rep, no -- I'm not eligible for the rebate. I will re-read tonight when I get home -- the printed copy I have is too small to read the fine print. But from what i can glean from the rebate, I don't see anything explicitly stating I can't take part of the rebate because...

I had almost submitted the rebate, but after the first night it was apparent I wasn't happy with the service so held off. And yes, according to the DirecTV rep today, they will be sending me pre-paid postage cartons. She also supplied the address for the billing dispute department.

oops, sorry, my bad -- I misread. If Scott wants to private message me, I'll give him the sponsor business name and the names of the two gentlemen I dealt with. I'd rather not mention them in case there's a resolution or partial resolution. I'm not looking to besmirch/smear anyone's...

...for the 6th install because I had already left work 5 previous times for missed installs -- I discovered I was completely disatisfied with both D*s HD and SD quality. A few days after the install/activation, the sponsor contacted me via e-mail confused because some of my SD boxes were...

Agreed, that's why I didn't name them. Based on the misunderstandings (on both sides) of my original post/complaint, I didn't want this post coming off as a service/sponsor trashing by mentioning names.

...sponsor here). Once I contacted them about my disatisfaction with the service, I fell off their radar screen and they didn't respond to my queries. I called them today, and they more or less played dumb, said they didn't have experience dealing with a situation like mine and suggested I call D*.

I figured as much. I had considered ebaying the equipment, but at this point I don't even feel like looking at a D* logo or dealing with it any more. I'll give the dispute letter a shot, but at this point I'm chalking up the $285 as a personal stupidity tax (there goes my beer budget for the...

...I'm peeing in the wind here. One lesson learned -- never sign up for a service without knowing 100% what you're getting up front (my fault, not D*). The bad -- and costly -- assumption on my part was that if I was disatisfied with the service within 'x' amount of days I could easily...

Dish is not HD Lite, which is where I think the expectations/major disappointment come from -- the only Dish HD Lite (that I know of) is Voom, and possibly TNT-HD. I did another A/B comparison this morning of American Chopper on DiscoveryHD and the difference is night and day. Discovery was...

I'm really getting tired of your sh*t. Either put up or shut up. My screen name actually happens to be my last name. Since you can't dispute the fact that DirecTV is using HD Lite, and is clearly inferior under many circumstances, you take pot shots like a 3rd grader instead of intelligent...