Yeah i Get them you need a new box. any cheap box that can do dvb-s2 8psk. I get 200+ channels and i only can see 9 satellites. amc 9 83.w to Anik F1r 107.3 w. I think c band has much more to see. cant wait to see what i get once i can see 108 to 140w.. and when i can see 58w to 83...