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thanks dude, I have this and the Onkyo Pro version on order and can't get either been waiting over 6 weeks with no HT :mad: -Gary

one better, you can record 2 HD channels while watching a 3rd from the hard drive :) -Gary

how much did you get the 622's for ? I currently own a 942 myself and this sounds interesting -Gary

I never said SD from Dish, I said SD from a SDI modified DVD player and a 3,000$ DVDO VP50 scaler setup I think you missed my point, it was that if such a broadcast was on Dish (720x480 16:9 10Mbps Mpeg2) that majority of people couldn't tell a difference between that and the trash that Dish...

I am not the smartest guy in the world, but attacking me and my technical expertise is off base, shall you make me list my credentials and achievements, you want to take this down that road? ;) Color Space, where do I start, 1920x1080i has a chroma resolution of 960x540, DVD is 360x240, so...

no it's not all these providers and channels could be putting out broadcast quality 16:9 720x480 images at 10Mbps Mpeg2, Dish passing it thru untouched and it would look as good, no one could tell the difference and I would bet on it the point is that everyone is wasting their time...

I finally got to see some Mpeg4 HD from Dish, oh my lord :mad: I could have never imagined how bad it truly was, the sample I looked at was HGTV, it is 1440x1080i at...... 6.75 Mbps :eek: that is not a sick joke, this is less than DVD bitrates and picture quality that to be honest, is worse than...

same here -Gary

DVD's via a SDI modified DVD player into a DVDO VP50 scaler do in fact look better than HD-Lite and on a 8 foot wide CRT projection system at that, try it and you shall see, simple as that -Gary

watching HD is not for simply a better image, it is for a breathtaking image, if people only knew real HD, it is so sad yes, I would rather watch SD than downconverted garbage HD-Lite, that is the truth and that is just what I have done and are currently doing after Dish headed down it's...

yep and that is surprising news, I hope that the original untouched resolution is in the contract also, stuff like this spreads, HBO does it and then maybe Mark Cuban could do it for the HDNets and so on I could strangle Cuban for not doing it already, he has no excuse for not doing so long...

Hammer, HBO will be distributing their channels via 8Mbps Mpeg4, I think Dish could easily match that, but their staff shows a history of incompetence, their encodings/muxings are full of so many errors and issues that it is amazing they can keep their job and even worse no one at Dish seems to...

LOL :p -Gary

you win love your signature BTW :rolleyes: -Gary

I see the hd-lite apologists have made it to all corners of the earth :p everyone hasn't been viewing HD from Dish for just a couple years or is a newbie, I go way back as do many others who know what True HD is and it used to be a thing of beauty on Dish, whether anyone likes it now or...

if anyone thinks Dish looks good currently then they should see some real HD, I mean the difference is unreal on high-end displays a year ago or a little longer Dish passed thru the HDNets on one 8psk transponder all by theirself basically untouched, in fact they were confirmed to be...

and yes, glad to be back around checking in on things, I may prepare for august with some new equipment adding a simple HD receiver to my account and report bitrates and resolutions ;) -Gary

Scott I hope you are right dude what I want is for every person that subs to Dish HD offerings to get a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player and buy some of the HDNet releases and a couple movies, then switch on HD-Lite trash, Dish phone systems would literally blow up from the backlash there are many...

Hey guys, I haven't posted here in a long while, but I figured what the heck I will stop by as many of you may know, when Dish decided to take the road down crap PQ on their HD channels I had to do the right thing and cancel, no one loved HD more than I did and Dish was the best choice, I had...

this right here is the very reason why we have HD-Lite, plain and simple the best thing to do guys is to cancel the crap you are paying a HD premium for, I loved HDTV so very much, enjoyed it for years on Dish and every so often things would go downhill, downhill and then downhill, to...

this is truely a sad day indeed, I saw the writing on the wall back in march and officially gave up on all HD from Dish, shaved 60$ from my bill and I don't miss it one bit, I miss quality not the sh*t that Dish is having us pay a premium for HD-Lite is here to stay, Dish wants to cater to...

I gave up on Dish HDTV months ago cancelled the entire service, I decided to check back in today and see whats up seems the same old same old, what a joke:mad: sorry guys, I don't think HD from Sat will ever be what it should, get HD-DVD and be happy and tell Dish to shove their HD-Lite...

someone needs to ask about HD:) -Gary

UHD is a joke :mad: or would that be Dish ?? actually both please tell what the UHD first gen c-band bitrates our when you find that out?? my guess would be 14 Mbps or less and prolly no telecine flag for film material?? -Gary

I posted this in another thread: this preview of UHD would be very exciting for me if the channel didn't have horrendous bitrate, it is 1920x1080i but I have got a few bitrate readings of 10.50 Mbps which is just nasty, the channel looks like total sh*t this is channel 9426 from my 6000...