Anamorphic widescreen

[TheKrell]

Is there any way to get anamorphic widescreen to come out of the TV2 outputs of a 722? I'm contemplating replacing my sole remaining SDTV (a piece of junk Samsung 25" CRT) with a modern widescreen set, but it would really suck to look at a pictureframed presentation on it.

 

[Jim S.]

Ages ago, I knew this. (At least on a 622.) Now, I don't remember the details for sure. Unless they changed it (always a possibility with Dish), I think that it would do anamorphic if you used single mode instead of dual mode. (I think there's also a setting somewhere in the menus for aspect ratio, but it may have been for TV1 instead of TV2, and I don't know whether that interacts with what I said above.)

 

[TheKrell]

Ha! I didn't try single mode, since that sort of defeats my purpose. If I wanted to mirror, I'd just run component and be done with it. (Actually I already have component run. )

I just checked my 722, and the HDTV Set up menu is greyed out on TV2. Why is that I wonder? If it will work in single mode, then why not enable this feature for both outputs?

 

[JM42]

Ha! I didn't try single mode, since that sort of defeats my purpose. If I wanted to mirror, I'd just run component and be done with it. (Actually I already have component run. )

I just checked my 722, and the HDTV Set up menu is greyed out on TV2. Why is that I wonder? If it will work in single mode, then why not enable this feature for both outputs?

IIRC, it wasn't a setting under the menu, in single mode, just use the format button on the remote to cycle through stretch/zoom/etc. I don't think it worked under dual mode that way at all for TV2, and wasn't happy about it.

 

[TNGTony]

When I was running TV 2 to the second TV on my 622 via composite video, I was doing the picture frame on the 622, and the zoom feature on the TV. It looked okay. I once asked the question you posed to a Dish Engineer at a Team Summit and he told me it would require the receiver to have a second HD processor to make an anamorphic option available. I still don't really believe it, but I have to accept it. That feature will never be available on the 622/722 now since it is a defunct model.

I currently use my 622 in single mode, have component going to the second TV and HDMI to TV1. I also still have the composite hooked up for the rare time when both TVs are in use at the same time AND there aren't any timers scheduled to fire.

BTW, the 622 was designed with ONE HD output (HDMI/Component both active at the same time), and ONE SD output. TV1 is HD. TV2 in only SD.
TV1 Format = Normal - stretch - Partial Zoom - Zoom - Gray Bars
TV2 Format = Normal (seen as picture box on 16x9 TV/Letterbox on 4x3TV) - Zoom (4x3 picture, cuts off the sides of the 16x9 picture - Full screen on 4x3 TV)

 

[3HaloODST]

As far as I'm aware cant do anamorphic widescreen in dual mode.

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[Jim S.]

When I was running TV 2 to the second TV on my 622 via composite video, I was doing the picture frame on the 622, and the zoom feature on the TV.

Well maybe that's what I was thinking of, but I don't really think so. I didn't actually have a TV with anamorphic expansion, but I could swear that at one point, I had a 4:3 TV hooked to one of the outputs on the 622 (I don't remember whether it was TV2 or the composite TV1 output), and the image that came up on the 4:3 TV wasn't full-screen, but a square!

 

[whatchel1]

The dish engineer was correct. Single HDTV output processor means single HDTV output. TV 2 processor is just an RF mod mostly w/ a composite split that is what is driving the RF mod. Component out mirror is the choice you are stuck with 622, 722, & 722k.

 

[Jim S.]

This thread here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads...D-output-(TV2)-on-VIP722?highlight=anamorphic says that it worked exactly as I described. Whether it still does, I have no idea; I'm not going to go try it since it's not relevant to me.

 

[whatchel1]

This thread here: http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads...D-output-(TV2)-on-VIP722?highlight=anamorphic says that it worked exactly as I described. Whether it still does, I have no idea; I'm not going to go try it since it's not relevant to me.

That's just spreading an SD picture on a HDTV screen. It can be done, but it's not a pretty picture.

 

[Jim S.]

No, that's not what I'm talking about, but you'll just have to take my word for it since I'm not going to go to the trouble of trying it. (Plus, as I said in the other thread, Dish has changed it in the past, so they may have changed it again.)

 

[TNGTony]

(I don't remember whether it was TV2 or the composite TV1 output), and the image that came up on the 4:3 TV wasn't full-screen, but a square!

When you have TV1 in "Normal" mode, the composite video output of TV1 is anamorphic. TV2 doesn't have that capability. It never had it at least on the 622. And I've had this unit since about 6 months after it was released to the public. There is a thread here somewhere of me complaining about this when I first got it.
Here is the first question 6 years ago: - http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/88879-622-TV2-Out-Question

Here is another thread on the subject from 2007: http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/89960-will-the-dish-622-dvr-output-16-9-480i-over-s-video?

Here is another thread from 2010 where TheKrell told the OP that Anamorphic was not available on TV2 output: http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/224895-Picture-squished-on-SD-output-(TV2)-on-VIP722

 

[TheKrell]

The dish engineer was correct. Single HDTV output processor means single HDTV output.

I know that, and I'm not asking for widescreen HDTV. I'm asking for widescreen SDTV, which I think must be possible to do or it wouldn't work in solo mode any differently than it does in dual mode.

Here is another thread from 2010 where TheKrell told the OP that Anamorphic was not available on TV2 output: http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/224895-Picture-squished-on-SD-output-(TV2)-on-VIP722

Harumph. I was hoping something changed in all this time. Obviously not.

 

[whatchel1]

Nope, nada changed. They didn't build the units to do anything more than what you already know. And trust me only talking heads shows are passable in anamorphic on a 42" or larger. Maybe OK on a 32". Oh BTW why would they fix what they didn't want to work in the 1st place?

 

[TheKrell]

They didn't build the units to do anything more than what you already know... Oh BTW why would they fix what they didn't want to work in the 1st place?

Point well taken. But hope never dies.

And trust me only talking heads shows are passable in anamorphic on a 42" or larger. Maybe OK on a 32".

Can you explain what you meant? I am guessing you meant when using the TV's zoom to fill the screen properly with a picture-framed SD picture, the quality suffers so badly that only talking heads are OK on smaller sets.

 

[dwarren2]

Your 2nd hdtv may have a setting on the remote to expand the picture to full screen. It will still be sd but will take up the full screen. That's what I used to do on my computer room tv. I had it connected via hdmi to a 211 and to my living room 722 via home distribution. When watching the living room 722, I would expand the screen.
Another option would be to upgrade to a Hopper and Joey. That would give you true hdtv on both tv's.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I find that my Toshiba tv has better aspect ratios for viewing shows on my tv rather than the receiver does. I can take letterbox and zoom it to like theater wide 3 which gives me a zoomed picture with just a small thin black bar at the top and bottom of the screen. Theater wide 2 zooms to much and theater wide 1 makes everyone look like short squat midgets. I wish that DISH would give us like a theater wide 3 option for shows.

 

[whatchel1]

Point well taken. But hope never dies.



Can you explain what you meant? I am guessing you meant when using the TV's zoom to fill the screen properly with a picture-framed SD picture, the quality suffers so badly that only talking heads are OK on smaller sets.

Just going by my viewing. Talking Heads AKA the commentators are really the only thing that I can stand to watch on my 50" panny plasma. There is so little movement that it's tolerable.

 

[dwarren2]

If I remember what I was doing, this is it. From the TV2 set, I changed the aspect to letterbox on the 722 tv2 out, I then used the tv's aspect control to expand to the point where I was getting a full screen with the correct horizontal size but with the vertical ends cut off. If that makes sense.

 

[TheKrell]

Just going by my viewing. Talking Heads AKA the commentators are really the only thing that I can stand to watch on my 50" panny plasma. There is so little movement that it's tolerable.

I'll take that as a "Yes" to my question and guessed answer.