Any word on MSG+ and MSGHD.

NoCenterIceNoDishNetwork

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Iam dieing to know if these channels will be associated with my Buffalo Sabres home games in HD.:(

EDIT: What Iam really asking is when will these channels be available is it in a weekly span monthly span or a yearly span or a dreaded "SOON" span. They've been uplinked for quite some time now.
 
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Aren't those channels done by Rainbow Media? If so you might be waiting a while......................
 
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Iam dieing to know if these channels will be associated with my Buffalo Sabres home games in HD.:(

EDIT: What Iam really asking is when will these channels be available is it in a weekly span monthly span or a yearly span or a dreaded "SOON" span. They've been uplinked for quite some time now.


Anything to do with Madison Square Garden, teams, and networks is Cablevision/Rainbow. Charlie has seen the relationship between Dish and Cablevision/Rainbow is a horrible one and will remain that way for quite sometime.


READ THE FOLLOWING: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd...erstanding-who-owns-voom-hd-holdings-llc.html
 
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Anything to do with Madison Square Garden, teams, and networks is Cablevision/Rainbow. Charlie has seen the relationship between Dish and Cablevision/Rainbow is a horrible one and will remain that way for quite sometime.


READ THE FOLLOWING: http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-hd...erstanding-who-owns-voom-hd-holdings-llc.html

Charlie has alienated everything New York. This and YES (Yankees). Voom was the only thing holding me here. I will leave Dish very soon. If I had Cablevision, I would already be gone.
 
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If Charlie has "alienated" everything in NY then why would it even be considered as to being on the uplink list?
 
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If Charlie has "alienated" everything in NY then why would it even be considered as to being on the uplink list?

Granted, there may be agreements in place to facilitate the distribution of said channels, but since we haven't seen any of the services, one would have to assume one of two reasons may be inhibiting their inclusion; bandwidth restrictions or no contractual — obligatory agreements have been ironed out. If the latter is of issue, I believe — we'll see little if anything until the disagreements between both parties are fully resolved.

BTW: Cablevision's Sports Holdings include broadcast right's for the Knicks, Rangers, Liberty, New York Islanders, New Jersey Devils, and Red Bull New York. Games are featured on Cablevision's own MSG and MSG Plus Networks (previously known as FSN New York).

Dish Network remains the only hold-out, not to carry YES (ownership is unrelated to Cablevision), and it asserts, it will not offer YES unless lower per/sub fees are extended to them. This creates a conflict as YES apparently operates under a universal standardized contractual carriage per/sub arrangement with all carriers; if YES lowered its per/sub for one operator, it would impact all carriers, thus diluting their overall revenue stream. Furthermore, to add even more spice to the mix, YES' minority owner Goldman Sachs, has a current position in Dish Network's parent, Echostar.
 
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Granted, there may be agreements in place to facilitate the distribution of said channels, but since we haven't seen any of the services, one would have to assume one of two reasons may be inhibiting their inclusion; bandwidth restrictions, or no contractual — obligatory agreements have been ironed out. If the latter is of issue, I believe — we'll see little if anything until the disagreements between both parties are fully resolved.

BTW: Cablevision's Sports Holdings include broadcast right's for the Knicks, Rangers, Liberty, New York Islanders, New Jersey Devils, and Red Bull New York. Games are featured on Cablevision's own MSG and MSG Plus Networks (previously known as FSN New York).

Dish Network remains the only hold-out, not to carry YES (ownership is unrelated to Cablevision), and it asserts, it will not offer YES unless lower per/sub fees are extended to them. This creates a conflict as YES apparently operates under a universal standardized contractual carriage per/sub arrangement with all carriers; if YES lowered its per/sub for one operator, it would impact all carriers, impacting their overall revenue stream. Furthermore, to add even more spice to the mix, YES' minority owner Goldman Sachs has a current position in Dish Network's parent, Echostar.

Some people signed up for Dish network because they don't carry YES. It took 2 years for cablevision to cave. Charlie wants the same terms as cablevision nothing more nuthin less
 
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Some people signed up for Dish network because they don't carry YES. It took 2 years for cablevision to cave. Charlie wants the same terms as cablevision nothing more nuthin less

I believe all carriers have the right to negotiate individual rates, but with that said, it then becomes extremely expensive (attorneys) and cumbersome to negotiate individual contracts with all interested parties.

It's far easier, and cost effective, for YES, and for all interested carriers, to insist a standard carriage per/sub rate as opposed to individual agreements. After all, if everyone is paying the same per/sub rate, then nobody is being treated unfairly.

It is my understanding no ground was given in the Cablevision/YES carriage agreement. YES' eventual carriage on Cablevision was simply a result of the consistent complaints from customers and the direct intervention of State and Federal authorities/regulators.
 
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I believe all carriers have the right to negotiate individual rates, but with that said, it then becomes extremely expensive (attorneys) and cumbersome to negotiate individual contracts with all interested parties.

It's far easier, and cost effective, for YES, and for all interested carriers, to insist a standard carriage per/sub rate as opposed to individual agreements. After all, if everyone is paying the same per/sub rate, then nobody is being treated unfairly.

It is my understanding no ground was given in the Cablevision/YES carriage agreement. YES' eventual carriage on Cablevision was simply a result of the consistent complaints from customers and the direct intervention of State and Federal authorities/regulators.
NO The NYS state government provided a mediator (binding arbitration) and basically forced cablevision to carry YES ( E* wanted the same deal but couldn't get it)

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4895/is_200402/ai_n17988736
 
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Is their anyone Charlie Hasn't Pissed off? Its Kind of Hard to believe Charlie is A down to earth Guy. Soon E* won't have any programming if this keeps up.
 
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NO The NYS state government provided a mediator (binding arbitration) and basically forced cablevision to carry YES ( E* wanted the same deal but couldn't get it)

YES, Cablevision wait for arbiter.(Cablevision Systems Corp.)(Yankees Entertainment and Sports Network L.L.C.)(Brief Article) | Multichannel News | Find Articles at BNET.com

I don't subscribe to the service you referred to (I don't share my email address without circumspection).

'Arbitration' implies nothing as far as financial gain/loss or advantage; its simply a means of coming to an understanding.

If you could site an open source(s) of such an inference, and/or submit the article sighted, so all can review, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Just to add a little more insight and clarification into the matter ...

Cablevision previously held the rights to the New York Yankees, New Jersey Nets and New York Mets. Those teams concluded, it was time to begin their own networks. Cablevision previously attempted to purchase the Yankees, Mets, and Boston Red Sox — in part, to control their broadcast rights; Cablevision failed in their efforts and thus ensued the standoff.
 
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