AT&T Aquires some DISH Spectrum

Largest American wireless providers

See also: List of mobile network operators of the Americas § United States
The top four wireless telecommunications facilities-based service providers by subscriber count in the United States are:


Verizon
Increase
146.1 million
Q2 2025[2]
T-Mobile US
Increase
132.8 million
Q2 2025[3]
AT&T Mobility
Increase
118.2 million
Q2 2025[4]
Boost Mobile
Increase
7.36 million
Q2 2025[5]


Like I said, they are in the toilet. The cable MVNOs have about the same number of subscribers, how sad is that?

I guess to put a positive spin on it, when the Dish native network is 100% gone, Boost can say they are one of the, if not the largest MVNOs in the country.
Keep those blinders on, hater. Ignore the FACT that they're growing faster each quarter.
Now that they aren't trying to be one of the biggest, comparing them to the top three is utterly stupid
 
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Keep those blinders on, hater. Ignore the FACT that they're growing faster each quarter.
Now that they aren't trying to be one of the biggest, comparing them to the top three is utterly stupid
Ive never seen advertising? Do they by you? I get Mint mobile, and Consumer cellular regularly. And another aimed at older people.(cant remember name)
 
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Keep those blinders on, hater. Ignore the FACT that they're growing faster each quarter.
Now that they aren't trying to be one of the biggest, comparing them to the top three is utterly stupid
Before you go too overboard defending Dish/Boost, they still have to gain back 1.64 Million more subscribers , so to get to 9 million, which is the number of subscribers Boost had when Dish took over about 5 years ago.
 
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Well, that came sooner than I expected, it was inevitable, but I thought it would be another year or two.

And here I was about to go back to the Boost Store this weekend, to attempt the activate service on an eSIM of my unlocked Pixel 10 XL that will be arriving in a day or two. Since they carry Pixel phones now, I was going to give it another shot. Guess I won't be doing that now.

I'm never in favor of less competition, but T-Mobile and Sprint needed to combine forces and the thought of a fourth nationwide provider was a pipe dream. While each provider seems to count their number of subscribers differently, when you have three big players with well over 100 million each, and #4 with less than 10 million, there is no reality where that 4th​ provider will survive.

The market has decided. There was never going to be anymore more than 2 DBS providers, there was never going to be more than 2 mobile operating systems, there was never going to be more than two GPU manufacturers, there's never going to be more than 3 nationwide MNOs.

Turning an MVNO into a semi MNO and losing subscribers in the process takes a special kind of stupid. I am a firm believer in you miss 100% of the shot you don't take, but this whole Dish Wireless was halfa$$ed from day one. It was nothing more than Charlie inflating his own Rocky Mountain sized ego wanting to become the king of wireless.

For all of Charlie's war cries about 'caring for the rural subscriber', he didn't seem to do a very good job of selling to Boost to rural subscribers. Boost Stores remained in the ghetto behind windows with bars on them, no one and I mean no one in the rural communities in my neck of the woods has even heard of Boost, some don't even realize Dish is even still in business.

The additional DoD will be huge for AT&T, not sure what to make of the n71 part of the deal. Between this, the ripping out of all of the Nokia crap and 4.9, AT&T is going to be a force to be reckoned within a few years.
AT&T just said they want to be best in class!!! ever since they got the first responders contract they ramped up there network!!! i remember when it was cingular and AT&T before cingular. i used to call em single bar :D. back in those days the reception sucked!!! now in my area they make verizon look like t-mobile with one bar service as we get full bars no matter where we are... plus we have there wide band service and a micro cell out in front of our house verizons still light years behind..
 
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From what i heard dish echostar will actually be shutting down there native network and decommissioning there towers, they will continue to have there own network core sims phone numbers ect. but it will all be roaming with AT&T as the primary partner and t-moble access as well
 
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AT&T just said they want to be best in class!!! ever since they got the first responders contract they ramped up there network!!! i remember when it was cingular and AT&T before cingular. i used to call em single bar :D. back in those days the reception sucked!!! now in my area they make verizon look like t-mobile with one bar service as we get full bars no matter where we are... plus we have there wide band service and a micro cell out in front of our house verizons still light years behind..
I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but AT&T in the region where I live is really bad. Then, you go 2 hrs south and it's the only really reliable service
 
Before you go too overboard defending Dish/Boost, they still have to gain back 1.64 Million more subscribers , so to get to 9 million, which is the number of subscribers Boost had when Dish took over about 5 years ago.
I'm really not defending them. I think this whole Boost thing is a waste of money and another example of what I consider seriously bad business decisions (Like trying to marry TV/Streaming in one platform well after the ship sailed).
But the truth is, now that there is a concerted effort to grow the customer base, it is indeed growing at an accelerating rate
 
Well now they are back to DISH /DIRECTV merger inevitable on Cord Cutters website. This story and the new one where he is going to start a Starlink type service for internet with low earth orbit satellites. Again where is Charlie going to get the money for any of these ideas when creditors don't want to invest in his company now? :smug
 
AT&T just said they want to be best in class!!! ever since they got the first responders contract they ramped up there network!!! i remember when it was cingular and AT&T before cingular. i used to call em single bar :D. back in those days the reception sucked!!! now in my area they make verizon look like t-mobile with one bar service as we get full bars no matter where we are... plus we have there wide band service and a micro cell out in front of our house verizons still light years behind..

Band 14 LTE was huge for AT&T, I see very little dead zone from them, their coverage has improved. The rollout of n79, the 4.9 GHz spectrum that they got for FirstNet earlier this year will be a big increase for speed. This should being multigig to AT&T mid band, if done right. If you look at Stankey's statements, you can almost infer that AT&T will won't be doing new builds anytime soon, they will use the 600 MHz spectrum they got from Dish to fill in coverage gaps as best they can. Which is why I believe they will not do a spectrum swap with T-Mobile.

Like I said, between the Nokia to Ericsson conversion, the 600 MHz from Dish, the 3.45 from Dish, the 4.9 for FirstNet, AT&T is looking pretty good at the moment. Time will tell though. From the few sites I saw examples of online, there have been decent performance increases from sites that went from Nokia to Ericsson.

From what i heard dish echostar will actually be shutting down there native network and decommissioning there towers, they will continue to have there own network core sims phone numbers ect. but it will all be roaming with AT&T as the primary partner and t-moble access as well

That nothing but a FAIREY TALE!

<Fingers in ears> La la la la Everything is going to be fine! La la la la

AT&T just said they want to be best in class!!! ever since they got the first responders contract they ramped up there network!!! i remember when it was cingular and AT&T before cingular. i used to call em single bar :D. back in those days the reception sucked!!! now in my area they make verizon look like t-mobile with one bar service as we get full bars no matter where we are... plus we have there wide band service and a micro cell out in front of our house verizons still light years behind..
It's a convoluted history. I may be wrong or misremembering, but Cingular was formed as a result of the merger of Bell South and SBC in the late 90s/early 2000s, a few years later Cingular then bought AT&T Wireless and a few month before the iPhone launch Cingular changed its name to AT&T Mobility with the tagline 'the new AT&T'. Given how many regional providers and wireless offshoots of the baby Bell's there were at this time, there is likely much more to this. While both the wireless and wireline operations of the company known as AT&T today share common lineage with the AT&T of 30 years ago, they are not the same company.

Verizon was a merger of GTE and Bell Atlantic (fka NYNEX) and then started acquiring both wireless and wireline assets from there. Fun fact, up until 2014, Verizon Wireless was not wholly owned by Verizon Communications. The official name of the company was Cellco Partnership dba Verizon Wireless, 55% owned by Verizon/45% owned by Britain's Vodafone. For a small period of time AT&T Mobility was the only 100% US owned carrier. Sprint had Japan's Softbank, Verizon had Vodafone and T-Mobile had their Deutsche Telekom mothership in Germany.

If it wasn't for two key things T-Mobile wouldn't be in the position they are today. First, the failed buyout when AT&T tried to acquire them. AT&T has to pay them a $4 billion dollar breakup fee, $3 billion in cash, $1 billion in spectrum. T-Mobile used that money to get 600 MHz at auction. Second, the Sprint buyout. Without that there would be no 2.5 GHz. No lowband 5G, no midband 5G = not much of a modern network
 
Every company counts subscribers differently. Since Trackfone, Visible and what ever other brands are out that are 100% owned by Verizon, they are likely counted in the total subscriber number.
Tracfone Wireless had about 20 million subscribers when the Verizon deal closed. As of June 30th, Verizon had 146 million retail and business wireless subscribers. I understand that number includes the owned MVNO's.
 
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Keep those blinders on, hater. Ignore the FACT that they're growing faster each quarter.
Now that they aren't trying to be one of the biggest, comparing them to the top three is utterly stupid
It was Charlie's goal to become a revolutionary leader in the 5G market and be a top dog facilities based provider, and as of right now they are still a facilities based MNO and will be for a while until the sale of the spectrum gets approved, So it's only fair to compare the failure that is Dish Wireless to their peers until they are 100% officially an AT&T MVNO.

The experiment failed, Dish really has no reason to keep Boost long term. Comcast and Charter use their MVNO agreement with Verizon as a customer retention ploy to keep people from ditching their home internet service. That is not applicable in Dish Network's circumstance. Unless they launch LEO satellite service to compete with Starlink and tie a Boost subscription to that.

They lost subscribers, they gained some back, it's a nothing burger, they are still behind big cable.
 
Well now they are back to DISH /DIRECTV merger inevitable on Cord Cutters website. This story and the new one where he is going to start a Starlink type service for internet with low earth orbit satellites. Again where is Charlie going to get the money for any of these ideas when creditors don't want to invest in his company now? :smug
charlie has been known to take trips to places like dubai and ask for money but they don't even want to give him any money. best thing for charlie to do is sell of things he don't need
 
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I'm really not defending them. I think this whole Boost thing is a waste of money and another example of what I consider seriously bad business decisions (Like trying to marry TV/Streaming in one platform well after the ship sailed).
But the truth is, now that there is a concerted effort to grow the customer base, it is indeed growing at an accelerating rate
what would have been the ROI on his own cell network there not cheap to build out... i don't think we need a 4th provider. charlie should stick to sat bussiness just like AT&T should stick to wireless and fiber. it's there bread and butter. none of these companies need another disaster like AT&T DIRECTV :coco. when and if dish goes under charlie should just kick back and retire he has enough money to
 
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