AT&T will have a premium streaming service this fall

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  1. comfortably_numb

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    Caching proxies haven’t been functionally useful for over a decade now, and the Snowden exposure of the PRISM program back in 2013 only accelerated the availability of completely free certificate signing services like Let’s Encrypt putting the final nail in the proxy coffin.

    TLS (particularly with HSTS extensions) is specifically to protect against “Man in the Middle” interference, and that’s exactly what caching proxies are.

    You can’t cache encrypted transport.
     
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    Talking about qilt servers that cache movies and alleviate network traffic so that the same programs don't clog the internet but alas it is just a modern update on a old idea

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    What is a "qilt server" and how and where does it cache unicast traffic?
     
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    It certainly doesn't help your argument.

    This clearly explains the scheme as an arrangement exclusively between the content providers and Qwilt where the provider sends content to Qwilt and they "originate" the stream from their "local" nodes.

    This is distribution, not caching.
     
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    Its caching...prevents unnecessary internet traffic

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    It's not passive caching. It has to be actively integrated into whatever service is using it.

    You can't passively cache an encrypted transport stream in the middle -- the payloads are inherently different session-to-session. The only way this works is if the "cache" is the endpoint the client connects to directly, which requires coordination with the app encoded URLs / TLS certs / DNS entries. The "caching" they are referring to here is a thin-provisioned CDN that only stores fetched content, vs a CDN endpoint that is pre-populated with any content a client might request.
     
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    Caching implies capture of packets for later reuse but there's no packet capture involved with Qwilt.

    The traffic from the video provider (PSVue, Netflix, et al) to the Internet is reduced but the traffic at the ISP level is not impacted at all (unless the ISP hosts a Qwilt node which will only reduce incoming traffic).
     
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    Yes..all data across a network is packets...streaming involves packets of data...its tcp/ ip..yes it cacheing...its a local copy of a popular show...could be netflix or att or verizon on any other streaming company

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    But in this case the content is being delivered as files on a leisurely basis rather than real-time RTSP streams. Caching also implies that they're forwarding packets and that's not what is going on here either.

    As SpaethCo pointed out, caching of modern Internet traffic is essentially impossible due to the overwhelming use of TLS across many transport protocols.
     
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    Its caching just a different application of the idea...

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    No, it clearly is not.

    Web cache - Wikipedia

    Qwilt is serving as a proxy (but not a proxy server) for the programming providers. Qwilt originates the stream (from linear data) and handles any interactions necessary to move about in the program such that the program provider deals with little more than authentication and remembering where the viewer is in the program for later resumption.

    Compare this to a "mirror" that houses a copy of some branch of a site as part of its file tree. Qwilt isn't a mirror as all client interactions appear to be between the programmer and the client.
     
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    anyone's CNN International up yet?
     
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    The upcoming SVOD from WarnerMedia is tentatively being called "HBO Max" internally, although they reportedly haven't settled on a final name. It's going to be AT&T's #1 priority in terms of video entertainment, ahead of their cable networks (TBS, TNT, etc.) and their multichannel pay TV businesses (i.e. DirecTV, Uverse TV, etc.). Word is that some of their Turner originals, such as The Alienist, will see new episodes debut on this service BEFORE they air on the cable channel, such as TNT.

    Seems pretty clear that they see the future of HBO as mainly an on-demand streaming service and they're going to aim all of their content assets at making it a compelling offering, at the expense of potentially cannibalizing their linear cable TV business. Looks like HBO Max (or whatever it's called) will be a way to get all of WarnerMedia's current non-sports/non-news content as a standalone product outside of the cable channel bundle. It'll reportedly even have the new original series from the DC Universe SVOD (e.g. Titans, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing). And it will have a lot of additional stuff too -- movies, older TV shows (e.g. Friends, Big Bang Theory, Looney Toons, etc.), new exclusive originals that aren't on any cable channel, plus some older stuff they license from outside of WarnerMedia.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2019/05/13/at-t-s-warnermedia-plans-to-prioritize-streaming.html
    WarnerMedia may stream show debuts before they reach TV

    To me, naming it HBO Max (instead of HBO+, which is what I've been predicting) makes it sound like a combination of HBO and Cinemax. I haven't read any rumors that it will contain Cinemax original series, though.
     
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    John Oliver noted emphatically on Last Week Tonight a couple weeks ago that HBO is "f***ed" when GoT ends. I can't find any reason to dispute that assessment.
     
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    Welp, looks like I called this one correctly (both in the post above as well as post #8 over on this thread). WSJ is reporting that the upcoming WarnerMedia service will contain HBO, Cinemax and the libraries of the Warner Bros. TV and Movies studios.

    AT&T Eyes $16- to $17-a-Month Streaming Service in Strategy Shift

    And it's already been established, from public comments of AT&T big-wigs, that it's going to feature current content from TBS, TNT, and other channels they own, including original docs and docuseries from CNN, along with lots of animation from Cartoon Network, Looney Tunes and Hanna Barbera, not to mention those critically-acclaimed new superhero series on DC Universe.

    That's a TON of quality content for only $16 or $17 per month. I'm betting they go with $16 as a standalone SVOD in order to equal the price of Netflix 4K. But it might be $17 if you add it to your cable package (which is how most people get HBO and Cinemax anyhow), in order to give a little more profit to the cable distributor.

    HBO Max.jpg
     
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    I wouldn't pay it. The channel count is high and their brands are well-known, but the content doesn't look all that attractive to me. If DC Universe and Warner Brothers end up amounting to something, I'd probably pay around $8 to get them along with TNT. HBO and Cinemax are just too seasonal (and have too much overlap) to warrant a full-time subscription in my mind.

    Boomerang used to be a bonus but I wonder anymore.
     

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