DBS Rules Rural America

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Albuquerque, N.M. -- Direct-broadcast satellite is now the dominant provider of video services in rural America, a buying cooperative for small independent cable operators was told Monday.

DBS subscribers outpaced cable subscribers in rural America in 2005, analyst Bruce Leichtman said during the opening session here at the winter educational conference of the National Cable Television Cooperative, the membership of which includes many small cable companies that compete head-to-head against DBS in America’s heartland.

“What we see is that in rural America, the No. 1 provider of multichannel video is now DBS,” Leichtman said. “And that was for the first time ever in 2005.”

Leichtman and Robert Thalman, president of consulting firm One Touch Intelligence, did a panel called “Do You Want to Beat the Competition?” They outlined the strides that DirecTV Inc. and EchoStar Communications Corp. -- which are only surpassed in size by Comcast Corp. -- have made in gaining distribution, their marketing tactics and their weaknesses: namely, churn and shockingly high per-subscriber acquisition costs.

Clearly, DBS has made some of its biggest inroads in areas outside of the cities and suburbs, according to Leichtman’s remarks. Of those who subscribe to cable or DBS in rural areas, 42% of those customers now take satellite, versus 37% buying cable, according to data from Leichtman’s company, Leichtman Research Group Inc. Rounding out the numbers, 2% have both cable and DBS.

Some of those rural DBS subscribers have no choice, as Leichtman pointed out, since 28% of satellite customers live in areas where cable service isn’t available.

Both he and Thalman agreed that EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen’s most threatening rival is DirecTV, which News Corp. owns a 34% stake in. “Clearly, Charlie’s biggest competitor is Rupert,” Thalman said.

Both he and Leichtman presented data that illustrated that EchoStar’s Dish Network has greater penetration in rural markets than DirecTV, which has been targeting urban and suburban customers.

For example, about 55% of EchoStar subscribers say they live in rural areas, compared with about 45% of DirecTV subscribers, according to Leichtman.

Dish uses more local advertising to promote its video product, while DirecTV focuses on national media, Thalman told the NCTC members.

Churn is up for both DirecTV and EchoStar, Leichtman said. In the third quarter of last year DirecTV’s churn was 5.7%, while EchoStar’s was 5.6% -- both up from the 5.3% they each had in the same quarter the prior year, according to Leichtman.

Overall, consumers said the biggest drivers for them signing up for satellite are “more channels” and “a better price” than cable, Leichtman told the NCTC group.

During the past two years, DBS has gained 2.67 million subscribers, while the top 10 cable operators lost 489,500, he added. “They grew too fast,” Leichtman said.

With 15 million subscribers, DirecTV has 56% of DBS’ market share, with 12 million-subscriber EchoStar at 44%, according to Leichtman.

He also said EchoStar’s cost to acquire customers averages $647 per subscriber, a gross figure, which nets out to $1,495 per subscriber for those customers Dish keeps without them quickly churning out.

“The breakeven is very difficult for them,” Leichtman said. “That’s why they have to be more disciplined in their growth.”

Broadband is the service that is luring DBS subscribers back to cable, according to Thalman.

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Yes, but Cable (to include the Baby Bells) will be offering inexpensive broadband, less-expensive/higher quality video services, telephone services and bundled savings that are going to cause many suburban customers to dump their dish; it may be a mass return back to cable. Cable competition and technologies will cause DBS providers to become niche providers to Rural America IMO.

In turn, DBS providers will continue to raise their rates (can you say Satellite Pig?)as their customer base dwindles. Rural customers will have no choice but to the pay premium for service...for now. It looks like the shoe will be on the other foot.

We shall see...
 
riffjim4069 said:
Yes, but Cable (to include the Baby Bells) will be offering inexpensive broadband, less-expensive/higher quality video services, telephone services and bundled savings that are going to cause many suburban customers to dump their dish; it may be a mass return back to cable. Cable competition and technologies will cause DBS providers to become niche providers to Rural America IMO.

In turn, DBS providers will continue to raise their rates (can you say Satellite Pig?)as their customer base dwindles. Rural customers will have no choice but to the pay premium for service...for now. It looks like the shoe will be on the other foot.

We shall see...

IPTV, I believe will "intrude" in DBS rural market at sometime or another. Also something not mentioned, BPL could be something else to consider as the technology advances.
 
cablewithaview said:
IPTV, I believe will "intrude" in DBS rural market at sometime or another. Also something not mentioned, BPL could be something else to consider as the technology advances.

How will iptv "intrude" if most of the rual market doesnt recive some sort of high speed internet. sure there are people with satellite internet but most that live out in a rural market dont have access to HSI..
 
I am all against BPL and so are a lot of communication services and companies that you RF.
 
goaliebob99 said:
How will iptv "intrude" if most of the rual market doesnt recive some sort of high speed internet. sure there are people with satellite internet but most that live out in a rural market dont have access to HSI..

Most of the smaller phone companies like TDS Telecom, Alltel, and even privately owned ones around here already have fiber out to there remotes and with that in place it would take simply installing equipment at the remote to be able to offer other services like IPTV and DSL. Most people "could" have access, it's a matter of installing the equipment at the remote and exchange.
 
cablewithaview said:
Most of the smaller phone companies like TDS Telecom, Alltel, and even privately owned ones around here already have fiber out to there remotes and with that in place it would take simply installing equipment at the remote to be able to offer other services like IPTV and DSL. Most people "could" have access, it's a matter of installing the equipment at the remote and exchange.
That is what is going on in the area that I live.A local phone co-op already provides very good phone and DSL service.They have contacted me about testing their new TV service in the near future,just waiting for them to complete contracts with programmers.Once the contracts are signed,sealed and delivered,I intend to test their equipment and see how it goes.If it turns out to be a good product,I will be saying bye to DISH Network.I have been a DISH sub for 6+ years now.The recent developments with DISH and the MPEG-4 transition has not set very well in this area.I know several DISH subs in this area that feel the same way.
 
steve615 said:
That is what is going on in the area that I live.A local phone co-op already provides very good phone and DSL service.They have contacted me about testing their new TV service in the near future,just waiting for them to complete contracts with programmers.Once the contracts are signed,sealed and delivered,I intend to test their equipment and see how it goes.If it turns out to be a good product,I will be saying bye to DISH Network.I have been a DISH sub for 6+ years now.The recent developments with DISH and the MPEG-4 transition has not set very well in this area.I know several DISH subs in this area that feel the same way.

You have TDS up there if I'm not mistaken? Seem like I heard that they where in the process of getting IPTV off the ground and running there outside of the Nashville area. I have TDS down here and I believe they are phasing out the Dish Network thing all together to focus more on stuff like this.
 
cablewithaview said:
You have TDS up there if I'm not mistaken? Seem like I heard that they where in the process of getting IPTV off the ground and running there outside of the Nashville area. I have TDS down here and I believe they are phasing out the Dish Network thing all together to focus more on stuff like this.
TDS is not available at my location,not that I am aware of.We have our phone/DSL service with a local co-op.They serve customers in an 8 county rural area.This company has 3-4 offices located in this area.I am located in close proximity to one of these offices.I was one of their first DSL customers when they made it available,very pleased with the service so far.I am very interested to see just what kind of TV service they have planned.I talked to one of their reps this past Thursday for approx. 30 minutes.He claims that it will be similar to FIOS TV service.If that is the case,I imagine that there will be alot of happy campers in this area pretty soon.
 
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steve615 said:
TDS is not available at my location,not that I am aware of.We have our phone/DSL service with a local co-op.They serve customers in a 4-5 county area.This company has 3-4 offices located in this area.I am located in close proximity to one of these offices.I was one of their first DSL customers when they made it available,very pleased with the service so far.I am very interested to see just what kind of TV service they have planned.I talked to one of their reps this past Thursday for approx. 30 minutes.He claims that it will be similar to FIOS TV service.If that is the case,I imagine that their will be alot of happy campers in this area pretty soon.

I know some people in your neck of the woods on TDS. That's why I asked.
Even though I am a cable tech, I would like to check out IPTV. I am out of any cable service area so I would not be competing against myself.
 
cablewithaview said:
I know some people in your neck of the woods on TDS. That's why I asked.
Even though I am a cable tech, I would like to check out IPTV. I am out of any cable service area so I would not be competing against myself.
I know what you mean as far as cable service goes for this area too.Comcast is the cable provider here.They offer 20-25 channels for $30-$35/mo. No digital cable options coming from them anytime soon,so the only other options over here is DBS or off-air antenna service.
 
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cablewithaview said:
IPTV, I believe will "intrude" in DBS rural market at sometime or another. Also something not mentioned, BPL could be something else to consider as the technology advances.

Most all BPL technologies are flawed. They share frequencies with other users of the spectrum. The other users may legally interfere with BPL. BPL may not legally interfere with other users. The FCC has buried their head in the sand, so expect continued cross interference with no support from the Commission.
 
But I have to ask where the competition is at? Ive said this before in other threads that there is really no competition here in michigan for customers between the cable companies. Comcast is the king here with minor rivals such as brighthouse, charter, and wide open west that used to be an underdog but in the last 2 years has raised its rates to match that of comcast. Outside of cable and dbs there isnt anything else and dbs here tends to be the only competition that cable has so even in the metro's dbs is the better deal for cost per month. What causes churn mostly in michigan is poor quality installation of the customers system followed by frustrations with trying to get through to a csr from either dbs provider that knows what they are talking about. Ive rarely seen anyone complain about price with dbs, with cable it is always price and reliability that is a complaint wether the customer is in the city or in the country. Most of the homes I go to in either location most of the time are digital customers that are paying high rates and dealing with sporadic reliability, of these customers I can always find rg-59 coax thats probably 25 years old in the mix as well as some old splitters rated for an antenna but not for high speed.

IMHO if any of these cable co's are going to compete then they will have to do more than lower prices and add more items to theyr packaging, as it is comcast is the worst offender when it comes to being overpriced atleast in the state of michigan.
 

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