EchoStar Christian Channels a No-No

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A federal appeals court has upheld a $2 million plus arbitration panel judgment against satellite TV company EchoStar for breach of contract.

In 2003, the panel awarded $2,438,178 dollars to Dominion Video Satellite for breach of a longstanding lease agreement over EchoStar's 2002 launch of some Christian channels on its satellite service.

EchoStar and Dominion have something of a symbiotic relationship, at least businesswise. According to court papers supplied by Dominion, the two have a programming exclusivity agreement that prevents EchoStar from carrying Christian programming.

That is because, back in 1996, Dominion, which broadcasts 20 channels of Christian programming as the Sky Angel network, struck a deal in which it leased satellite capacity for eight transponders from EchoStar, then subleased six of them, with the accompanying FCC license rights that EchoStar lacked, back to Echostar.

So Echostar, which had the capacity but not enough FCC licenses, and Angel, which had the licenses but not enough capacity, both benefited. But to prevent EchoStar from competing for Angel customers, the deal included a provision that kept EchoStar from carrying Christian programming.

But in 2002, EchoStar launched several predominantly Christian channels on its DISH Network. Dominion got a preliminary injunction, and the two have been battling it our in court ever since.

The Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected EchoStar's argument that, because the Congress had in the invervening years mandated that satellite broaodcasters reserve 4% of their channel capacity for noncommercial and educational programming, and because its Christian programs are educational, federal law preempted Dominion's claim. "Neither the legislation nor the regulation explicitly or by implication preempts the enforcement of the programming exclusivity provision of the agreement," said the court.

The court also said EchoStar failed to make the case that enjoining it against broadcasting Christian programming was a content-based speech restriction, or that the new FCC public-interest requirement was a sufficiently changed circumstance to excuse the breach under the "impossibility of performance defense."

The court also pointed out that EchoStar's claims had already been raised and rejected three times, by a district court twice and the arbitration panel.

"In sum," said the court, "none of the arguments advanced by EchoStar are grounds for vacating the arbitration award. Furthermore, we find EchoStar's appeal of the confirmation of the award to be frivolous, and agree with Dominaion that EchoStar has deprived it of the primary benefit gained by submitting to arbitration: 'to avoid the expense and delay of court proceedings.'"

The court also upheld a district court imposition of $62,686.02 in court costs on Echostar.


An EchoStar spokesman had no comment at press time.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6290178.html?display=Breaking+News
 
What would Jesus do? I love these Christian companies. Treat everyone nice until the allmighty dollar gets in the way. Even better is they are fighting each other. Dish is carrying must carries, yet they "conflict" with other religious channels.

How many transponders does Dominion own? With R-1 and the rainbow transponders, can't Dish tell them to go F off now? I'd like to see them build and launch their own satellite. Edit, i see in the post now, 6. If Dish can get the wing locals off 61.5 they wouldnt need those 6 anymore.
 
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Here's your trivia for the day:

Years ago when the Playboy channel first launched, they leased their satellite transponder from the Trinity Broadcasting Network. :hatsoff:
 
Tom Bombadil said:
If this means that E* will have fewer Christian channels, and thus more bandwidth to spread around, then that sounds ok to me.
sorry !! what it means is that instead of carrying one nationwide feed of familynet or daystar..they have to carry additional local channels taking up precious bandwidth that could be used for more HD channels
 
goaliebob99 said:
that would be awsome if one day we woke up and Dominion wasnt there any more.

Lol. Seriously, it seems Dominion is barking up the wrong tree here. Do they think hardball Charlie is gonna cave in? To me, it seems they need Echostar alot more than E* needs them. The only sticking point would be if they threatened to sell their TP space to directv or someone else, just so charlie couldnt use it ever. Of course, isnt there a law stating the TP space MUST be used or you lose your licenses? So if E* doesnt renew their deal with Dominion, what would Dominion do? They'd have to find another company to uplink their channels, PLUS lease satellite space.

I don't care for any of the religious programming, but don't mind if its up there for others to enjoy. However, I feel that Dominion is being quite greedy here. Whats that saying about a gift horse? :)

btw good Simpsons reference 'Berg :D
 
I like Sky Angel. I'm glad it is there. Oh, and Jesus! He's the greatest! And I don't mind saying so! Dying on the cross for my sins, I like that stuff. Frees me from guilt. BUT here is what I don't agree with. Dominion providing bandwidth to playboy is very hypocritical. One of you hit the nail right on the head. Money does talk, even in the Christian circles.
 
Dominion did not provide bandwidth to Playboy, that was Trinity Broadcasting (TBN) back in the days their TBN channel was right next to Playboy's on Galaxy 5 Cband Satellite (I beleive TBN was transponder 2 and Playboy was 3 or something like that)
Im glad for Skyangel and if E* kicked them to the curb I would never ever ever support Charlie ever again (also remeber that part of the agreement between Dominion and Echostar is for the life of the bird that is presently at 61.5 (it would be a bad move for Charlie to break that early) Also E* is using some of SkyAngel's Transponders right now and the AGREEMENT that was made back in 1996 said that E* would not add relgious channels beyond the ones already carried (TBN etc) so you know, E* cant change its mind either, an agreement is an agreement.
I really take offense to those that say "I wish the Christian programming was not there anymore" You dont see me complanning that those Bandwidth intensive HDTV channels that I cant aford to watch cuz I dont have money for a 1000$ TV are there and that there dozens and dozens and dozen of Foreign Channels...
You can have your HDTV, let me have my "All Jesus All The Time"
 
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If E* kicked Skyangel to the curb then wouldn't that mean that all Skyangel customers would have to get a new box? They would have to swap boxes out anyways when MPEG-4 comes and I wonder who is going to foot the bill for that?
 
After 12 years of catholic school I am not in favor of any christian programing.

But if I think of it in terms of "if this deal was made with X (insert any company or organization here)" my view would be that E* need to abide by the terms of the deal.

So what I am saying is (without the nature of the programing clouding my judgment) "E* need to abide by the terms of the deal"


Jordan
 
Jordan420 said:
After 12 years of catholic school I am not in favor of any christian programing.
But if I think of it in terms of "if this deal was made with X (insert any company or organization here)" my view would be that E* need to abide by the terms of the deal.
So what I am saying is (without the nature of the programing clouding my judgment) "E* need to abide by the terms of the deal"
Jordan
No wonder some people are upset here. It is Not politically correct anymore to expect people to actually do what they agreed to do, why what would the world be like?? I dp not see how people can construe what SA did as greed. There would not have been any problem if E* had simply done what they agreed to do. Forcing people to do what the should have done without being forced is not greed. Yes there was a judgement because SA was harmed, period.
 
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Yea this whole thing does stink, I had admired charlie when I started working for him 5 years ago but over the last 2 years my respect for him has dwindled considerably and this is just another reason. Its one thing to play hardball when your trying to aquire a competitor but its another when you decide to go back on a contract that you took a part in setting up, I believe the term is breach of contract to keep it nice.
 
I was personally surprised that a contract with these terms existed between E* and SA, but I do tend to agree that since both sides made this agreement, it should be honored.

I'm just hoping that if SA upgrades to MPEG-4, they can finally expand their channel count to be a more competitive provider.
 
Spike, please read tbe posts above. Dominion does not provide space for Playboy. I find the TBN leases satellite space to Playboy stoty to be dubious at best. I'd like to see proof that it was TBN (directly) that did this and not that TBN leased a space that was later leased to Playboy or that TBN sub-leased space to a company that in turn leased its TP to Playboy or some other story.

Anyway, if Dish did not like the terms of the deals, it did not have to enter into the agreement in the first place. Dish agreed to leave the christian channels to Dominion with the exception of TBN and EWTN. Then, they ignored the deal when it didn't suit them any more. That is simply wrong. Every court and arbitration group this case has been taken to also says the same thing.

See ya
Tony
 
...because christians being less than perfect is something new right?

It's funny, there's an old school building in my town that they put up for auction...a church won it with a bid of $500k...now they say the 3 people who were going to put up the money can't and they can't buy the building...2nd highest bidder is another church with like $475k...amazing how people don't see through this scam...

Pass the plate, it's all about the money. What's the point in going to heaven if you're broke in life...
 

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