Echostar prepares potential bankruptcy filing

Why would you add in the price of broadband to a monthly TV service?
While it's a unique situation, I have to agree with Juan on this.

Every so often my Aunt and Uncle, in their late 70s, ask me about streaming. They are the only Dish Network subscribers I know personally, everyone else I know who had Dish cancelled years ago. I can't remember what Dish package they have, but they subscribe to Verizon granny DSL which is I think 3 or 5 Mbps, fed out of a remote terminal for $30/month. They can't get anything faster from Verizon.

I told them there is no way their DSL service can handle streaming, especially on two TVs simultaneously when my aunt wants to watch her Food Network shows and my uncle wants to watch his hunting shows. They would have to switch to Spectrum and the extra $50/month for Spectrum internet pretty much negates any savings or makes it to where the final cost is so close it's not worth switching over to something new. Plus they get a bundling discount for bundling their cell phone and POTS service with their DSL, so the landline and mobile service would go up.

With being reliant on the internet for everything, they don't like the idea of no landline and no TV service when the power goes out as Spectrum does not provide backed up nodes in this area.

My aunts brother, around the same age maybe a few years younger, has no cell phone and no internet as he doesn't have a computer. He has a Spectrum TV Choice with 1 box and Showtime and pays around $110/month after franchise fees. He asked me about streaming and right off the bat it's not worth it for him since he'd be spending $80 for internet, which he never had before.

So yes, in some situations the cost of internet needs to be factored in.
 
Not how business works, Dish TV will be unprofitable with about 2-3 Million subscribers, based on the math and the rate of current losses, about a million a year for Dish, they will hit those lower subscriber's numbers sometime in 2026.

Sling will be unprofitable sometime next year, churn is also way up, Sling sub numbers are not helped by DirecTV's lower priced packages.

When you can get all the News Channels, all the top non-sports Cable Channels, Disney+, Hulu and HBO ( MAX ) for only $35, you can see why people will subscribe to DirecTV instead of Sling.

Sling needs to add Locals. It's the only reason I wouldn't use them.


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And where is the 5G Broadband Home Service they have been promising since they started hoarding spectrum.
And ironically enough, Dish has probably lost more than a few satellite subscribers who now can get high speed internet from the cell companies and their home 5G offerings that provide adequate bandwidth for streaming.

With current network configurations, I don't see how they could offer home internet, unless they hard cap upload and download speeds and do heavy throttling. With multiband carrier aggregation, I have yet to see a speed test result posted anywhere online that significantly exceeds 450 Mbps down. Which isn't bad by any means, but that is on a virtually empty tower. Throw in 100 people streaming content in 4K plus normal usage and end user experience is going to tank.

If Dish didn't sit on their spectrum and would have launched service when Sprint was still around and before the Legere took T-Mobile out of the basement, they would have had a shot. Not saying they would be the strongest wireless provider, but they would be in a much better position than they are in today. There would have been three providers fighting to be the best of the worst and everyone would have won.

Dish was slated to be the front runner for the 800 MHz spectrum that T-Mobile acquired from Sprint, that Sprint got from Nextel. That would have been huge for them and for the customer. But they backed out and T-Mobile sold it to a private equity firm. Now no one gets to use it, no one gets to benefit from it. This irks me because Sprint was my provider for years and I wanted that band 26 but they weren't allowed to deploy it here due to my proximity to the Canadian border. I was on T-Mobile by the time IBEZ restrictions were lifted but I did actually connect to 26 a couple times post merger, before T-Mobile decommissioned it.

They bought Hughes for whatever reason (government contracts maybe???), they bought Blockbuster which was comical, but yet halfassed it when it came to one of the the biggest industries on the planet.
 
Article makes some good points.

Too bad we will likely see a decision based on emotions not logic.
No matter what happens with the FCC, the problems are still the same for Dish/Echostar-

Churn increasing amongst all of their companies.

Less and less new content on Broadcast/Cable Channels, which pushes more and more to streaming services.( affects all of Paid Live TV).

Too many rerun channels, that people are tired of paying for, when the same content is available free ( affects all of Paid Live TV).

Broadband/Fiber availability to rural areas ( along with Star Link), which decreases Satellite TV's market share.

Monthly Bill has hit that point where it is too high for people to tolerate, especially with the new content issues, getting less for a more expensive monthly bill.

Too many less expensive competitors, Dish used to be a low cost leader, no longer, they really need to revamp the channel packages like DirecTV has done and is continuing to do.

Then the other businesses have issues, the Boost Cell Phone thing is not working, claiming you have a 5G Network is not enough to get customers, especially when the top 3 providers all say the same thing.

Hughes is losing customers to Star Link, both consumer and business, for the faster speeds, no data cap rules, similar pricing.
 
No matter what happens with the FCC, the problems are still the same for Dish/Echostar-

Churn increasing amongst all of their companies.

Less and less new content on Broadcast/Cable Channels, which pushes more and more to streaming services.( affects all of Paid Live TV).

Too many rerun channels, that people are tired of paying for, when the same content is available free ( affects all of Paid Live TV).

Broadband/Fiber availability to rural areas ( along with Star Link), which decreases Satellite TV's market share.

Monthly Bill has hit that point where it is too high for people to tolerate, especially with the new content issues, getting less for a more expensive monthly bill.

Too many less expensive competitors, Dish used to be a low cost leader, no longer, they really need to revamp the channel packages like DirecTV has done and is continuing to do.

Then the other businesses have issues, the Boost Cell Phone thing is not working, claiming you have a 5G Network is not enough to get customers, especially when the top 3 providers all say the same thing.

Hughes is losing customers to Star Link, both consumer and business, for the faster speeds, no data cap rules, similar pricing.
Meanwhile..Disney plus loses 700k+ customers


Youtubetv loses 150k subscribers

IMDb: YouTube TV Loses Estimated 150,000 Subscribers in First Quarter; Has the Streamer Peaked?
YouTube TV Loses Estimated 150,000 Subscribers in First Quarter; Has the Streamer Peaked? - IMDb

Where are the customers going is the real question
 
Meanwhile..Disney plus loses 700k+ customers

www.indiewire.com

Disney+ Lost 700,000 Subscribers from October-December

Disney+ lost 700,000 subscribers from October-December 2024, but 'Moana 2' more than made up for it.
www.indiewire.com
www.indiewire.com
And in the quarter after the one you linked to, Disney+ gained 1.4 million subscribers, bringing its total to 126 million.

The positive subscriber growth, along with a surge in streaming profit, contributed to strong overall financial results for Disney in Q2 2025.

Youtubetv loses 150k subscribers

IMDb: YouTube TV Loses Estimated 150,000 Subscribers in First Quarter; Has the Streamer Peaked?
YouTube TV Loses Estimated 150,000 Subscribers in First Quarter; Has the Streamer Peaked? - IMDb
Juan, that was a year ago, do you ever read dates on these links you put up?

They have gained about 1.4 Million since that article, now at 9.4 Million, 4 Million more then Dish Satellite.

Where are the customers going is the real question
Pretty obvious, all streamers, except Fubo, AMC+, gained more subscribers in the quarter, Paramount+ at 78 Million, Disney+ at 126M, etc, etc.
 
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And in the quarter after the one you linked to, Disney+ gained 1.4 million subscribers, bringing its total to 126 million.

The positive subscriber growth, along with a surge in streaming profit, contributed to strong overall financial results for Disney in Q2 2025.


Juan, that was a year ago, do you ever read dates on these links you put up?

They have gained about 1.4 Million since that article, now at 9.4 Million, 4 Million more then Dish Satellite.


Pretty obvious, all streamers, except Fubo, AMC+, gained more subscribers in the quarter, Paramount+ at 78 Million, Disney+ at 126M, etc, etc.
Show me where Disney gained customers
 
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It's obvious that streaming is dominating the market for now. I don't know if DISH will be around another year or two or ten, nobody does.

HOWEVER, if one is a sports fan, DISH is still a viable option. I pay a total of $77.98 month drive out for the TOP120, which includes ESPN channels and more sports than I can watch on several other channels. It's more than enough "new content" for me, but then I don't live in front of a TV. What would really kill satellite and cable TV would be a standalone ESPN streaming service, IMO.

I know, I could get the same programming on YTTV for $5 more a month and get the Golf Channel and a couple more channels. On YTTV, I could watch it on several TV's at once, but I only have one set of eyes. But LISTEN, I really love the DISH interface format and in my opinion it blows away any streaming format I've used on ROKU, Firestick, or Android. By the time I go through all the steps in streaming to actually get to a watchable signal, I've already been watching TV on my Wally.

I agree with those above who said that DISH needs to duplicate their satellite interface to a streaming service. If they can do that, they may still be around for a few years.
 
Looks like Disney is really losing customers in the United States


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Yes, Disney+ is experiencing a decline in subscribers in the United States. Specifically, Disney's report showed that Disney+ lost 700,000 subscribers in Q1 2025, following price increases and the expiration of certain promotions. This decline, while anticipated by Disney, marks a shift from the positive subscriber growth seen in previous periods.
 

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