Will we be able to use the 2 tuner dvr's? What will Dish change that will allow the future tv's to receive the signal from tv2 as well as the ota signal?
? for the future....tv's with digital tuners
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I'm not sure exactly what you are asking here. Maybe you can clarify and someone can try to answer. TV's with digital tuners can already receive the TV 2 signal and OTA. As far as the 2 tuner DVR question I don't understand the question.
If I understand correctly, I think he's asking what Dish is going to do about the fact that most new TV sets have digital-only tuners, and won't be able to tune to the TV2-RF signal put out by Dish's dual-tuner DVR's.
I don't have a clue what the answer is.
I don't have a clue what the answer is.
Here's what I am trying to find out. I presently use a 625. Tv2 rf output is fed into a combiner unit (for lack of better description) along with the ota feed and feeds 4 other tv's via a single coax cable. Any tv can watch the ota channels or the satellite. With the new digital tuners, will this be possible? Will Dish change their rf output to digital that can be recognized by the digital tuners?
You have two options for all of this. First option is to buy an adapter that will accept the RF input but output the signal using say component cables or an HDMI cable. Option number two is to also buy a new surround sound receiver that can accept the RF signal and allow the receiver to output everything again using component or HDMI or whatever input your TV set itself has.
Edit...I'm assuming that this DVR box would have an S-video or composite (yellow) output. If I'm correct you can get an adapter in either 3 or 6 feet lengths for under 40 bucks. The link below is for the three foot version but they have a link on this page for the six foot version.
S-Video + Composite Video to Component Video
Oh forgot the most important part is that you need an RF coax to RCA adapter. Once the coax is converted into RCA you would connect that RCA end into the product above. Just keep in mind that the quality may be so bad it might be really worth it to just buy a new surround sound receiver and let the receiver do all of this work and upscale everything.
Edit...I'm assuming that this DVR box would have an S-video or composite (yellow) output. If I'm correct you can get an adapter in either 3 or 6 feet lengths for under 40 bucks. The link below is for the three foot version but they have a link on this page for the six foot version.
S-Video + Composite Video to Component Video
Oh forgot the most important part is that you need an RF coax to RCA adapter. Once the coax is converted into RCA you would connect that RCA end into the product above. Just keep in mind that the quality may be so bad it might be really worth it to just buy a new surround sound receiver and let the receiver do all of this work and upscale everything.
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I see what you saying and the answer is a simple no. Dish Network converts all signal types using the box itself so whatever is output using the RF2 output will be converted by the box itself. So any HD channels would be downconverted and output over that RF2 connection again by the box. As long as the box outputs in normal NTSC format your good to go. Now for those TV sets that don't have NTSC coax tuners and only ATSC tuners you would be SOL unless Dish has a box that can convert all signals into an ATSC digital signal and today that isn't being done over the RF2 jack on your box. But if your TV set only has an ATSC input you can bet the TV has at the least an composite or S-Video input if not both. Under this case you just need to buy a coax to RCA adapter or use a coax type switcher that can accept coax but output over say S-Video.
Edit...The simple choice though is to buy a TV set that has an NTSC coax tuner. Since at some point all sets will be required to have an ATSC coax tuner it just isn't that much more money for companies to also add that NTSC tuner. The problem I've seen is with TV sets that don't have an ATSC tuner they also tend to not have an NTSC tuner either. It saves money not having to include any tuner hardware at all. But if you need to have the tuner hardware for ATSC support it costs next to nothing to also include NTSC coax support as well.
I don't think I've seen a TV with only a digital tuner and no analog. Both cable and satellite use analog outputs and analog is the most efficient way to distribute signal to the whole house. DMCA won't allow digital RF genertors so your analog tuner will be around for quite sometime.
That isn't what I said but your correct that I'm not aware of any TV sets that have a digital (ATSC) tuner and "not" an NTSC (analog) tuner. But I have seen HDTV sets that are pure monitor sets that have no NTSC or ATSC tuners. So to get any channels you must have a box that can output over S-Video, composite (yellow), component or DVI/HDMI. These TV sets I've seen have no coax inputs period. That is what I was talking about for the most part and yes I have seen in person many of these sets in the past. I haven't seen many of them as of late once the FCC required that the lower size sets must have an ATSC tuner. But during that time when only 30" or larger required an ATSC tuner I saw many budget 26" LCD sets that didn't include an NTSC nor an ATSC tuner to lower the price to compete better at the time.
HDTV monitors still are not required to have ATSC tuners, but if a display has an NTSC tuner, it must also have an ATSC tuner.
Your partly correct but all sets with a size above 30" I believe but it could be different is required by the FCC to have an ATSC tuner built into it. Again that is not a choice but a requirement from the FCC. I believe at some point soon the FCC will require that all TV sets include an ATSC tuner. Now that doesn't mean that companies cannot sell say an EDTV set (the TV itself cannot display HD resolutions) but that set must again have an ATSC tuner.
I guess the real question is can a set have ATSC but not NTSC. I know of no set like that but I have an accurian tuner that is ATSC only---no NTSC so I suspect that they might exist. Still I am not sure that DISH plans to do anything. they may think that the other outputs are adequate.
I believe that was lowered to 13 inch and above now..
FCC deadline July 1st, 2006: TV 25-inch and larger must have an ATSC tuner - Engadget HD
Oh I see the problem now and yeah its kinda my fault for not making this clear. I wasn't saying monitor as a computer monitor. In the past an HDTV used to be called an HDTV monitor or HDTV. The HDTV Monitor meant the set had no built-in tuners of any kind while an HDTV had built-in tuners but to be called an HDTV back in those days it had to have an ATSC HD tuner. The link below explains in a very small Q&A what the confusion was about.
Ask the Editors: "HDTV monitor/HDTV ready" explained - CNET reviews
Again this was done in the past and isn't done that much if at all today.
Ask the Editors: "HDTV monitor/HDTV ready" explained - CNET reviews
Again this was done in the past and isn't done that much if at all today.
I bought a 30" Sony CRT HDTV monitor a couple years ago that has an NTSC tuner but no ATSC. I believe that manufactures made these models for 2 reasons:
1. Cost
2. The signal standard for digital was not a "standard" yet.
1. Cost
2. The signal standard for digital was not a "standard" yet.
The ATSC (digital) standard was set many years ago- 1997? 1999? And ATSC tuner chipsets are much cheaper now.
All newly manufactured or imported devices with an NTSC (analog) tuner are already required to have an ATSC (digital) tuner. This applies to VCRs, DVD recorders, OTA DVRs, TVs, whatever. I have yet to see a VCR with an ATSC tuner and I doubt we will- unless it is part of a VCR/DVD combo that has an NTSC tuner. Haven't seen one of those, either. Current on hand stock (even in a warehouse) that does not meet this standard may continue to be sold. For example, I recently went thru every TV on display at a local Wal-Mart and ALL had ATSC and NTSC tuners, save one very cheap ($49) very small obviously older TV. It was analog only. From the looks of it, if it (& any brethren in stock) didn't sell soon, it would likely be tossed in the garbage.
I have not seen or heard of an ATSC (digital) only TV. And I suspect we won't, for many years. Perhaps, at most, there may one day be sets only able to receive channels 3 & 4 in analog, but I doubt there is much economic reason to do that. As has been mentioned, analog cable will be with us for many years to come, due to the huge number of basic analog only cable STBs out there. I believe I've read that over half of cable boxes are analog only. I'm sure over the years they'll move folks to digital capable boxes, to regain bandwidth and be able to sell more services (PPV, etc). But it's a huge capital investment.
So with the above in mind, I'm sure Dish has no plans to output ATSC via the TV2 output any time soon. They might in some future box, but I suspect that technology may have moved on by then. Wireless, anyone? Certainly, no current box can receive a firmware download to convert it to outputting ATSC over TV2 instead of NTSC.
All newly manufactured or imported devices with an NTSC (analog) tuner are already required to have an ATSC (digital) tuner. This applies to VCRs, DVD recorders, OTA DVRs, TVs, whatever. I have yet to see a VCR with an ATSC tuner and I doubt we will- unless it is part of a VCR/DVD combo that has an NTSC tuner. Haven't seen one of those, either. Current on hand stock (even in a warehouse) that does not meet this standard may continue to be sold. For example, I recently went thru every TV on display at a local Wal-Mart and ALL had ATSC and NTSC tuners, save one very cheap ($49) very small obviously older TV. It was analog only. From the looks of it, if it (& any brethren in stock) didn't sell soon, it would likely be tossed in the garbage.
I have not seen or heard of an ATSC (digital) only TV. And I suspect we won't, for many years. Perhaps, at most, there may one day be sets only able to receive channels 3 & 4 in analog, but I doubt there is much economic reason to do that. As has been mentioned, analog cable will be with us for many years to come, due to the huge number of basic analog only cable STBs out there. I believe I've read that over half of cable boxes are analog only. I'm sure over the years they'll move folks to digital capable boxes, to regain bandwidth and be able to sell more services (PPV, etc). But it's a huge capital investment.
So with the above in mind, I'm sure Dish has no plans to output ATSC via the TV2 output any time soon. They might in some future box, but I suspect that technology may have moved on by then. Wireless, anyone? Certainly, no current box can receive a firmware download to convert it to outputting ATSC over TV2 instead of NTSC.
