New Satellites.

[Bruce]

E*'s answer to D*'s spaceway birds:

From the FCC Daily Digest:

ECHOSTAR SATELLITE LLC. Granted EchoStar Satellite LLC Authority to
Construct, Launch and Operate a Geostationary-Satellite Orbit Satellite
in the Fixed-Satellite Service Using the Extended Ku-Band Frequencies at
the 109,83,121 Degree W.L. Orbital Locations.

This is E*'s answer to D* new birds,I guess they are not just sitting down vs. D*'s spaceway birds.

 

[yanks2402]

E*'s answer to D*'s spaceway birds:

From the FCC Daily Digest:

ECHOSTAR SATELLITE LLC. Granted EchoStar Satellite LLC Authority to
Construct, Launch and Operate a Geostationary-Satellite Orbit Satellite
in the Fixed-Satellite Service Using the Extended Ku-Band Frequencies at
the 109,83,121 Degree W.L. Orbital Locations.

This is E*'s answer to D* new birds,I guess they are not just sitting down vs. D*'s spaceway birds.

Could the 83 bird actually be at 85? Because SES is launching AMC 16 soon, and it looks to be identical to AMC 15 which E* is leasing

http://www.ses-americom.com/satellites/amc-16.html

 

[rocatman]

Could the 83 bird actually be at 85? Because SES is launching AMC 16 soon, and it looks to be identical to AMC 15 which E* is leasing

http://www.ses-americom.com/satellites/amc-16.html

AMC-16 will be launched to the 85 W location and will be leased by Dish. It is essentially identical to AMC-15 but it is a Ku-band satellite not an Extended Ku-band satellite. In addition, SES Americom owns the license from the FCC not Dish. This recent announcement grants a license specifically to Echostar/Dish.

 

[bcshields]

So that's the answer to the yet-unbuilt AMC-17, rounding out the Three sats *E leaced from AMC.

61.5, 83, 85, 105, 110, 119, 121, 149, 153

Christ.

I say Dish will need a motorized dish... or customers with an appreciation for antenna farms.

 

[BFG]

are 149 and 153 new dishes are did u confuse them for 148 and 157

 

[rocatman]

So that's the answer to the yet-unbuilt AMC-17, rounding out the Three sats *E leaced from AMC.

61.5, 83, 85, 105, 110, 119, 121, 149, 153

Christ.

I say Dish will need a motorized dish... or customers with an appreciation for antenna farms.

You forgot 109 and its 148 and 157 not 149 and 153. It is certain that Dish is leasing satellites from SES Americom at 105 W and 85 W those being AMC-15 and AMC-16 respectively. The third one is yet to be announced but Dish is hoping that the FCC will approve a DBS high powered satellite at 105.5 for SES Americom to lease to Dish. This recent announcement for satellites at 83, 109 and 121 has nothing to do with SES Americom. These will be Dish owned satellites. I think Dish's long term strategy is for customers to need to have no more than two dishes, one of which may need to be a Superdish.

 

[BFG]

Alright so the breakdown for E* Satellites will be:

DBS: 61.5 110 119 148 157
Ku: 83 85 105 109 121

 

[rocatman]

Alright so the breakdown for E* Satellites will be:

DBS: 61.5 110 119 148 157
Ku: 83 105 109 121

You forgot the Ku-band at 85 W, AMC-16. In addition, 85, 105 and 121 have or will have Ka-band as well. So we have:

DBS: 61.5 110 119 148 157
Ku: 83X 85 109X 121X X designates Extended Ku
Ka: 85 105 121

 

[John W]

ok so I got stupid for a while (maybe the play of my Irish is starting to rub off on me)

What is the differences between the DBS, Ku and Ka bands?

 

[Juan]

ok so I got stupid for a while (maybe the play of my Irish is starting to rub off on me)

What is the differences between the DBS, Ku and Ka bands?

The size of the dish required to receive the signal Ka is a much stronger signal so it has a smaller dish

 

[Chris Freeland]

ok so I got stupid for a while (maybe the play of my Irish is starting to rub off on me)

What is the differences between the DBS, Ku and Ka bands?

Different types of frequency they use. Actually DBS is a KU band frequencies, their appears to be 3 ranges of Ku frequencies that I am aware off, DBS, FSS and or extended). Maybe someone else can give us what these 3 KU band frequencies ranges are.

 

[MikeD-C05]

I guess we will all need a Super -dooper -dooper -dooper -dooper -satellite dish the size of a small house to get every satellite they have. Since Charlie promised to have all of dish customers down to one dish for eveything by 2008.

 

[rocatman]

Actually Ka band requires a larger dish than DBS and Ku. Not sure if this is because of the differences in frequencies, allowable transponder power, spacing of orbital slots or rain fade susceptibility (which may be tied to the other factors). That is why there is some question whether DirecTV's proposed use of the Ka band on their Spaceway satellites is going to work properly for HD and the size of the dish that will be required.

 

[James Long]

KuX: 10.95-11.2 GHz downlink (109 only)       250 MHz RX 16 27MHz TP
KuX: 11.45-11.7 GHz downlink ( 89, 109, 121)  250 MHz RX 16 27MHz TP
Ku:  11.7 -12.2 GHz downlink (SES105, E*121)  500 MHz RX 24 or 32 TP
DBS: 12.2 -12.7 GHz downlink                  500 MHz RX 32 TP

KuX: 13.75-14.0 GHz uplink (MULTIPLEXED 250MHz to serve 500MHz down!)
Ku:  14.0 -14.5 GHz uplink
DBS: 17.3 -17.8 GHz uplink

Ka:  17.7 -20.2 GHz downlink  2.5 GHz RX 
 and 27.5 -30.0 GHz uplink    2.5 GHz TX

There are currently no satellites at 89 or 109 (based on LyngSat). E9 is at 121 and IIRC had KuX preinstalled awaiting FCC permission.

109 KuX gives 500MHz of good bandwidth in the same neighborhood as 105, 110, 119 and 121 (which now will have 750MHz of contiguous bandwidth). This is good! Plus Ku is a higher power service. 140w anyone?

JL

 

[David_Levin]

Maybe we'll just install a separate dish+rotor for each receiver in the house.

I can't imagine how they are going to deal with having so many different slots. Spaceway seems way smarter.

 

[rocatman]

There are currently no satellites at 89 or 109 (based on LyngSat). E9 is at 121 and IIRC had KuX preinstalled awaiting FCC permission.

JL

Who or what is IIRC? Does E-9 have KuX capability?

 

[Bobby]

IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

 

[bcope9]

Maybe dish is going to use toroidial dishes?

 

[DishSatUser]

A dish on a rotator controlled by the receiver would be a single dish and allow Dish to comply with the law for every single sat they use. The flexibility would also be present in the event that they continued to lease additional capacity from other Sat companies.

 

[bcope9]

One major drawback to a motor is the problem with multiple receivers, the other is switch check (could be solved with software)