Senior Dish TSR Explains: 1080p Is ONLY PPV/VOD via HD STB DVR via HDMI, For Now...

steve4810

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Dude, you are so negative. If you find it so annoying then don't read post by this op.
Amen brother!

There are people who, while interested in satellite TV, don't feel obligated to spend hours a day pouring over voluminous piles of precious prose penned by the prestigious purveyors of poop who make this their home.

While at the same time aren't these self same people as entitled as anyone else to share the wealth of information that makes this site the gold mine it is.

Which other thread is titled "Senior Dish TSR explains: 1080p..." or maybe something like "1080p official explanation"?

And, even if there was one or more threads like that, what if someone had left the internet for a few days to make a living or bury a relative or just go camping? Are you implying they MUST read all the posts they missed before they dare post a experience that they felt might be of use to others?

Give...... me........ a........ break.
 
FCom911

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1080p24 actually takes less space than 1080i30, even less than 720p60.

1080i30 = 62 million pixels per second (full screen refresh).
720p60 = 55 million pixels per second (full screen refresh).
1080p24 = 50 million pixels per second (full screen refresh).

Of course compression algorithms substantially reduce the total amount of data for each resolution, but for comparison purposes these numbers will do.

Actually 1080p24 should be possible OTA and via satellite with little trouble. It is a part of the ATSC specification built into EVERY ATSC HDTV tuner. OTA it's just too much trouble to switch data rates at the station, over satellite...

But what to do about video... do we down convert that aspect?

We're dealing with two completely different formats. Until we set a single standard global format, we'll be dealing with such issues for quite some time... NTSC, PAL, SECAM, etc... furthermore, consider, many countries are based on 50 cycle v 60, in the US.

Ever go to the UK and watch TV? The flickering on some sets drives me nuts!!! We're used to 60 cycles, our brian (my brain) has difficulty adjusting to 50 cycles... newer sets have higher refresh rates, but traditional, old school sets...
 
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Amen brother!

There are people who, while interested in satellite TV, don't feel obligated to spend hours a day pouring over voluminous piles of precious prose penned by the prestigious purveyors of poop who make this their home.

While at the same time aren't these self same people as entitled as anyone else to share the wealth of information that makes this site the gold mine it is.

Which other thread is titled "Senior Dish TSR explains: 1080p..." or maybe something like "1080p official explanation"?

And, even if there was one or more threads like that, what if someone had left the internet for a few days to make a living or bury a relative or just go camping? Are you implying they MUST read all the posts they missed before they dare post a experience that they felt might be of use to others?

Give...... me........ a........ break.

How about reading an entire post before pontificating, BROTHER.
 
FCom911

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I would like to add, respectfully...

I read these forums, research, and try to come up with concise answers, shooting straight to the point. I'm curious too. As I learn, I form capsulated views and analogies.

It's very difficult to filter through a multitude of stings, some massive in size, drifting in and out of topic, covering multiple forums... Some of the language, idioms, and tech-speak may be beyond many who struggle through some of our discussions.

I'm just attempting to bring to light, direct information into a concise version, with, at times, a different perspective, and breadth.

Is English a second language to you...?

Are you not technically inclined, but curious...?

There are a multitude of reasons to educate our audience in various formats.

Most of us are here to learn... and to those who understand and appreciate the effort(s), thanks.
 
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Spatch

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Dude, read the whole post before passing your opinion of the first three words as judgement.

dude

I did. The first three words weren't negative. It was the total of all of your words.

FCom always posts about 4 to 6 hours after the same subject that has already been addressed in another thread dedicated to the same subject. He represents the crowd that is unable to follow through on reading an entire thread or paying attention to anything Scott has said. I found it slightly annoying earlier on but now I think it probably reduces questions from those who can't read.

:)

You tend to come off as if you are better than most people here. Not just in this post but in many.

Later, Dude
 
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Regardless of your DVR model [622/722] and/or serial number [R00...] you will not see anything on ch 501 [VODSV] because:
- the channel in engineering mode
- no PID assigned to the service [channel]
- no data streaming.

There is short history of the service [channel]:
- 6/4/08 10:32:47am PDT - new VODSV with a number 541 did appear in system tables
- 7/7/08 1:05:45pm PDT - the service changed number to 501.
 
Jim5506

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But what to do about video... do we down convert that aspect?

We're dealing with two completely different formats. Until we set a single standard global format, we'll be dealing with such issues for quite some time... NTSC, PAL, SECAM, etc... furthermore, consider, many countries are based on 50 cycle v 60, in the US.

Ever go to the UK and watch TV? The flickering on some sets drives me nuts!!! We're used to 60 cycles, our brian (my brain) has difficulty adjusting to 50 cycles... newer sets have higher refresh rates, but traditional, old school sets...

?????

Nonsequitur.
 
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Sorry guys but just a quick question.

My Hitachi Ultravision is 1080i not p

If this is 1080@24fps, will I be able to view said content?
 
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Yes, but it will be interlaced, not progressive. Probably your set will convert it to 1080i30 or 1080i24 and display it as such.
 
Spatch

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Sorry guys but just a quick question.

My Hitachi Ultravision is 1080i not p

If this is 1080@24fps, will I be able to view said content?

I don't think so. I saw in a post that your receiver will test your connection to see if you can view 1080p.
 
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Sorry guys but just a quick question.

My Hitachi Ultravision is 1080i not p

If this is 1080@24fps, will I be able to view said content?
Don't be silly. Dish will always take your money :) Of course you won't get it at 1080p24f, but you will still be able to view the content at whatever resolution your TV will handle. Just don't expect Dish to lower the price to match the lower resolution;)

Talon Dancer
 
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omarh

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I dont know whats the big deal with 1080p anyway? Most of the LCD's sold in the past few years that supported 1080i only supported 768 resolution lines anyway. Only recently newer screens support 1080p and have higher resolutions and are the norm. But how many people are going to upgrade in this economy?
 
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I dont know whats the big deal with 1080p anyway? Most of the LCD's sold in the past few years that supported 1080i only supported 768 resolution lines anyway. Only recently newer screens support 1080p and have higher resolutions and are the norm. But how many people are going to upgrade in this economy?
Well, I don't really care about 1080p, what I'm thinking is this will be a lot higher bitrate which is what's ultimately important
 
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theoak

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Thanks Scott.

I didn't realize that the reserved partition on my ViP 622 was large enough to hold 7 movies at 1080p24f. And if it is, I really would like to be able to use that space for something I would ever consider watching -- like My Recordings :)

Talon Dancer


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I totally agree with this.

This puts my 50 hours of HD storage down to about 36 hours. Even less if you consider OTA recordings.

Dish is almost forcing people to get external hard drives ... another way for another $40 I suppose ... (or is it $50 now?) :(
 
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Nope. See post #20.
Those resolutions don't reflect the MPEG4 bitrate each is then compressed to. With a 1080p HD download, the compression is much less and therefore more original data is preserved. From there, my PJ can rescale from 1080p/24 to 720p/48 and I will have a much better image on my 8 foot screen than what I get from low bitrate 1440x1080i.
 

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