Test on Boat First

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Bought a boat with KVH M5 sat system that is supposed to work with Direct TV only on model H24 receiver for SD feeds. Cannot test this without purchasing 2 year contract and H24, and then customer cannot do self install. Could get stuck with no service and still have to pay. How can I get someone with H24 and active account to come aboard for a test in Seattle?
 

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Bought a boat with KVH M5 sat system that is supposed to work with Direct TV only on model H24 receiver for SD feeds. Cannot test this without purchasing 2 year contract and H24, and then customer cannot do self install. Could get stuck with no service and still have to pay. How can I get someone with H24 and active account to come aboard for a test in Seattle?
Just buy a used H24 off eBay and test it - there are some test/free channels that will come in without a subscription, plus you can check the signal strength in the setup menu. You won't be able to use that receiver later (you can resell it on eBay) but if you can afford a boat you are probably OK with the risk of losing $50 on a buy/sell eBay transaction :)
 
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I'd have to check to be sure, but I believe the M5 supports use of DISH 211's/Wallys. In HD to boot. You can setup a month to month pay as you go account with DISH with no contract.
 

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its an 18" dish, it will most likley stop working when the mpeg2 is shut down
 

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its an 18" dish, it will most likley stop working when the mpeg2 is shut down
No it won't, they are going to continue to use Ku. They're going to be putting HD channels on 101 after MPEG2 SD is retired. Your choice may be somewhat limited, but on a boat I doubt having access to 300+ channels is really a concern.
 

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Call a local dealer if there is any left in your area.

Be prepared to pay for a service call, as many of us do not like messing around with in motion systems. I HATE messing with those systems.

The installer is going to be there minimum 2-3 hours.

They likely won’t charge you if they are getting a new account out of it, but just to mess around with it and NOT to get it working for whatever reason, I would want a minimum $200 since it requires reading the book or downloading the manual online and calling the manufacture.
 

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No it won't, they are going to continue to use Ku. They're going to be putting HD channels on 101 after MPEG2 SD is retired. Your choice may be somewhat limited, but on a boat I doubt having access to 300+ channels is really a concern.
directv says "a apopular selection of channels will be on 101. I assume that will include the DNS channels for RVs
 

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directv says "a apopular selection of channels will be on 101. I assume that will include the DNS channels for RVs
They can never get rid of 101. They would have a big issue with people with RV, boats and other automatic setups that would expect Directv to upgrade that type of system.

The most logical thing to do is just move as many HD feeds 99/103 to 101 as possible. Start with the most popular channels and work down from there.

It’s safe to say anyone who can get 99/103 can also get 101

The real question is what are they doing with the spot beam capacity at 101?

Since all the HD locals would be on 99/103 do they shut down the spot beams, and replace with conus beams.

101 is better for the more popular channels anyways. Using a 30 inch slimline dish to pick up what was ment to use an 18 Dish, means less rain face
 

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The real question is what are they doing with the spot beam capacity at 101?

Since all the HD locals would be on 99/103 do they shut down the spot beams, and replace with conus beams.
The spot beams are going away. T16 doesn't have any spot beams, and it supports using all 32 tpns for CONUS, which the previous satellites did not.
 

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The spot beams are going away. T16 doesn't have any spot beams, and it supports using all 32 tpns for CONUS, which the previous satellites did not.
So how many HD channels would be on each transponder? Judging by Dish Networks uplinks from their Satellites, they has between 8-10 HD Channels per transponder. With this said most of of Dish's Uplinks are not being carried in full 1080i.

If DirecTV commits to providing MPEG4 HD channels at 101, they could easily carry 6 to 8 HD channels per transponder in full 1080i resolution for at least 225 HD channels from 101.

Sounds great for those RV and Marine Subscribers with only KU Dishes.

John
 

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So how many HD channels would be on each transponder? Judging by Dish Networks uplinks from their Satellites, they has between 8-10 HD Channels per transponder. With this said most of of Dish's Uplinks are not being carried in full 1080i.

If DirecTV commits to providing MPEG4 HD channels at 101, they could easily carry 6 to 8 HD channels per transponder in full 1080i resolution for at least 225 HD channels from 101.

Sounds great for those RV and Marine Subscribers with only KU Dishes.

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No way Directv will put that many on a transponder. There's a reason why Directv's PQ is better than Dish, and using higher bit rate per channel is part of it. I'd expect more like 4 or 5 HD channels per Ku transponder. Still that would allow 100-150 HD channels (probably toward the lower end since they will have a lot of MPEG4 SD only channels on 101 too) which would form the basis for a pretty decent "RV/boat/etc." package that required only a 101 dish.
 
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No way Directv will put that many on a transponder. There's a reason why Directv's PQ is better than Dish, and using higher bit rate per channel is part of it. I'd expect more like 4 or 5 HD channels per Ku transponder. Still that would allow 100-150 HD channels (probably toward the lower end since they will have a lot of MPEG4 SD only channels on 101 too) which would form the basis for a pretty decent "RV/boat/etc." package that required only a 101 dish.
Directv doesn’t have the bandwidth issues Dish has either.

When you figure 99/103 with reverse band frequencies there is a whole lot of stuff that are not using.

I can’t believe they are ready to give up 119110.

You think they would want to keep that to screw over Charlie. However it wouldn’t surprise me if AT&T got some 5G frequencies in exchange for it. Since after all Dish will never launch a 5g network on their own.
 

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I can’t believe they are ready to give up 119110.

You think they would want to keep that to screw over Charlie. However it wouldn’t surprise me if AT&T got some 5G frequencies in exchange for it. Since after all Dish will never launch a 5g network on their own.
Well not using them for Directv service and giving them up aren't necessarily the same thing. Even if they did give them up, given that satellite is a declining business every year it matters less if they screw Charlie or not.

I still think they might end up with some sort of deal where they surrender their licenses to the FCC to clear the way for Dish to get them a lot more quickly, in return for some concessions from Dish. Those concessions may have already happened and we just don't know the details.

If Directv doesn't surrender the licenses the FCC has to take them back for non-use which I'm pretty sure would take years, and Directv could keep the ones at 119 at least in use using D8 & D9S. D8 has fuel life until 2034, it may outlive Directv's service.
 

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The spot beams are going away. T16 doesn't have any spot beams, and it supports using all 32 tpns for CONUS, which the previous satellites did not.
Although I have to believe that past some future point DIRECTV is going to really accelerate the turn offs of local spotbeams at 119 and the 101.

Since at the ultra-slow and inconsistent pace they're going now for turning off the LiL spots on 119, I don't think even after 5 years will be sufficient to remove them all from 119 and 101.

Sheesh ...

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Although I have to believe that past some future point DIRECTV is going to really accelerate the turn offs of local spotbeams at 119 and the 101.

Since at the ultra-slow and inconsistent pace they're going now for turning off the LiL spots on 119, I don't think even after 5 years will be sufficient to remove them all from 119 and 101.

Sheesh ...

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The pace is slow because they basically had to pause the whole project. I'm actually kind of surprised they're bothering to retire any of them, maybe the ones that are getting retired were due to having so few MPEG2 only customers that they figured "why not?"

We may not see much action until this time next year...
 

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