This cannot be good news for Dish Network...

I don't know where you get your info from, but Dishnetwork is not a small company.

"For the year ended Dec. 31, 2008,Network reported total revenue of $11.62 billion"

DISH Network(R) Reports Fourth Quarter 2008 Financial Results | Reuters


The "Mom & Pop" days of dish are long over with. If he can get involved with millions now billion dollar lawsuits with TIVO,; he can certainly cut the deal, and put YES and MSG-HD in a sports tier or whatever and make it available to his New York State Subs for a fee.

Yes, I as well as you do not know where this poster gets his financials from. I do not consider a company with $11.6 billion in revenue that consistantly turns a profit each quarter with a healthy balance sheet to be a "small" company either.
The poster should take a look at DirecTV's balance sheet, although they have nearly two times the revenue, their balance sheet is not as healthy as that of Dish Network (DISH) or EchoStar (SATS).
 
bobvick said:
The poster should take a look at DirecTV's balance sheet, although they have nearly two times the revenue, their balance sheet is not as healthy as that of Dish Network (DISH) or EchoStar (SATS).
I'm not so sure about that.

SATS only source of revenue is DISH. There are some weird things regarding both outstanding debt while both companies were together, as well as their assets on hand.
 
Morningstar ranks Dish Network (DISH) as a 5 star stock, the fair value for the stock is estimated at $30 per share. They do not do an analysis of SATS however. The following is the opinion of analyst Michael Hodel CFA of Morningstar on the Echostar spinoff

"We believe the recent decision to spin off EchoStar--the set-top box business and a handful of other assets--has also served as a distraction for DISH without providing much benefit. The television business theoretically could benefit from the ability to buy set-top boxes from other suppliers, but that seems unlikely with Ergen controlling both DISH and EchoStar. More than 80% of EchoStar's sales are from set-top boxes and other services provided to DISH. We also don't think the spin-off makes DISH a significantly more attractive acquisition target."

Regarding Dish Network's recent loss of subscribers, and keeping in mind that the loss of subscribers in all is not a plus, according to the analysis total subscriber related revenue which constitutes 99% of DISH's revenue increased 2% in the first quarter of 2009.

Operating costs held steady in the first quarter. Even though total subscriber retention costs increased by 7%, subscriber acquisition costs, advertising, and a shift from higher cost independent dealer sales to direct sales decreased by 22%, enabling total operating expenditures to stay even.

Also in response to the poster's comment about Echostar's revenue, approximately 80% of EchoStar (SATS) total revenue is applicable to Dish Network, so around 20% of their revenue is derived elsewhere. Just read this week's Multichannel satellite report by Scott, there you will find that Echostar is at the Independent Cable Operator's Summit in Grapevine, TX and they are pushing their Sling enabled cable box and are pondering licensing Sling technology to other set top box manufacturers.

Additionally, some analysts are not quite so bullish on DirecTV's stock. They feel that although DirecTV seems to have most ofthe momentum in adding DBS subscribers, that the rates which are used to attract these customers will end up hurting the company in the long run, in other words, when some of the teaser rates are over some new customers could suspend their service or defect to another service provider. Additionally, the AT&T deal, while a boon to DirecTV now, could prove to be a two edged sword, as AT&T expands their UVerse television service, they will be doing everything in their power to change customers from DirecTV to UVerse. A major roll out of Uverse has already began in Central Alabama, and AT&T is expanding UVerse at a rapid pace than in former Bell South territory. They have plans to expand the service to many parts of the 8 counties served by AT&T in Metro Birmingham in the near future
 
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What of the revenues from the DTVPals? Doesn't AAD work with Echostar as opposed to DISH Network? How about that outfit that is selling satellite photos of the Earth?

I'm thinking a retraction is in order.

Not to mention proceeds of the bandwidth regularly offered up from the FSS birds at 121 and 105.
 
Greg Bimson said:
SATS only source of revenue is DISH.

What of the revenues from the DTVPals? Doesn't AAD work with Echostar as opposed to DISH Network? How about that outfit that is selling satellite photos of the Earth?
harshness said:
I'm thinking a retraction is in order.
Also in response to the poster's comment about Echostar's revenue, approximately 80% of EchoStar (SATS) total revenue is applicable to Dish Network, so around 20% of their revenue is derived elsewhere. Just read this week's Multichannel satellite report by Scott, there you will find that Echostar is at the Independent Cable Operator's Summit in Grapevine, TX and they are pushing their Sling enabled cable box and are pondering licensing Sling technology to other set top box manufacturers.
Okay, so not the only source of revenue. But when EchoStar is holding the ownership on the satellites, the headquarters and receiver manufacturing business, and that is 80 percent of the revenue, then that says something regarding the other 20 percent.

And we'll see if anything comes out of Grapevine other than hope.
 
The following is taken directly from Echostar's 10K for 208:

"Historically, the primary customer of our “Digital Set-Top Box” business has been DISH Network. For the fiscal years ended December 31, 2008, 2007 and 2006, DISH Network accounted for approximately 86.5%, 83.8% and 84.1% of our total revenue, respectively. In addition, Bell TV, a direct-to-home satellite service provider in Canada, accounted for 8.4%, 10.7% and 12.2%, respectively, of our total revenue for the fiscal years ended December 31, 2008, 2007 and 2006. We also currently sell our digital set-top boxes to other international direct-to-home satellite service providers, although these customers do not account for a significant amount of our total revenue."

Echostar does not own all of the satellites that Dish Network uses, the following are owned or under a capital lease by Echostar:

Owned:
EchoStar III
EchoStar IV
EchoStar VI
EchoStar VIII
EchoStar IX
EchoStar XII
Leased:
AMC-15
AMC-16

The following satellites are owned or under a capital lease by Dish Network Corporation:

Owned:
EchoStar I
EchoStar V
EchoStar VII
EchoStar X
EchoStar XI
Leased:
Anik F3
Ciel II

Also, one should keep in mind that Echostar is just now beginning to try and tap any sales in the cable market or any licensing revenue from their Sling technology.
 
So SATS revenue in 2008 can be described as 95 percent driven from receivers, and 86.5 percent of the revenue comes from DISH. So I'll amend the statement:

SATS only real source of revenue is DISH. If DISH selected another STB manufacturer, SATS would be toast.

And I suspect a large majority of the other five percent of the revenues not accounted is for rents, either or both satellite and office space.
 
So if Dish done everything they could to keep AT&T partnership then how was DirecTv able to get it? Offer a deal they could not refuse that Dish Network refused to give?
 
Anybody who deals with ATT on a regular basis would know they are a terrible company that will prove to be good that DISH is no longer associated with. ATT never realized they are not the mothership of the telephone world that they used to be. Their whole company mentality never changed from the days of Sprint, MCI, ATT.
 

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