The short answer is that the rules for broadcast station carriage are different for cable and satellite. To get into a little more detail, it sounds like your market (Alpena) is a "short market" (lacking an in-market NBC station) so it is necessary to import an out-of-market affiliate to fill in the gap. There are two different types of out-of-market stations that can be offered: distant networks and Significantly Viewed stations. The important distinction is that distant networks do not require retransmission consent from the station, while Significantly Viewed stations do require retransmission consent (and thus some form of payment to the station). Significantly Viewed stations are considered "local" to the out-of-market areas where they meet the criteria for Significantly Viewed status, but those areas are individual counties and communities, not necessarily the entire market, even if that market is a neighboring "short market" like yours. In such a case, for Dish to carry that station to serve your entire market, they would have to use two different copyright licenses with different rules governing each license, with the station being considered Significantly Viewed in part of your market, and "distant" for the rest of the market. The alternative may be to split your market into multiple "markets" for the purpose of the satellite-delivered local package, with different out-of-market NBC affiliates being offered in different parts of the Alpena market, so that everyone would get the affiliate that is the most "local" to their area. In these cases, Dish seems to prefer to import an affiliate from farther away, that is truly distant to the entire market. That way, there is no legal question over which copyright license is being used to carry the station, or any confusion over whether or not the station needs to be removed during a retransmission consent dispute. It is also possible that the Saginaw/Flint station just happened to be on a spot-beam that covers the entire Alpena market, while the spot-beam for the Cadillac locals might not cover the entire Alpena market. By contrast, cable providers do not need to worry as much about being able to cover their entire service area with the same locals under the same copyright license, since cable service areas are broken down into multiple local franchise areas. Even individual local franchise areas can be split even further for copyright purposes, if a station is considered to be Significantly Viewed for only a portion of the franchise area, for example.
Some people do not have a landline, so no IP address verification is available. Or they may not have their receivers hooked up to the phone line.At one time, I thought they had a backend system that verified service address against the IP registered by an internet-connected receiver. This had the dual effect of being able to catch "stackers" as well.
Some people do not have a landline, so no IP address verification is available. Or they may not have their receivers hooked up to the phone line.
Some people do not have a landline, so no IP address verification is available. Or they may not have their receivers hooked up to the phone line.
Huh? Your receiver pulls an IP address if it's connected via ethernet or wifi.
Can you start quoting the first message that has you guys give the first warning? I want to see what we can’t say.Let’s not add comments that would take the thread into pit territory please.
I agree with this 100 percent! As it is, it makes it look like the warning was being given about this post immediately before the warning:Can you start quoting the first message that has you guys give the first warning? I want to see what we can’t say.
Obviously, there is nothing wrong with this post, since it is on-topic and non-political.I have been 'moved' for almost ten years. I am still waiting for anyone to question my eligibility. If there's ever a problem, I'll drop locals entirely and rely only on my OTA.
Huh? Your receiver pulls an IP address if it's connected via ethernet or wifi.
The ViP211k does have an ethernet port for connecting to the internet. It is also capable of connecting via Wi-Fi if you add one of the Dish-branded Netgear Wi-Fi adapters. (That is how I have my ViP222k connected to the internet.) Having said that, on these particular models (ViP211 series and ViP222 series) connecting them via internet offers no additional features or benefits compared to connecting a phone line to them. Now, if you had mentioned an even older receiver, such as a 512 for example, then you might have a point.I still have my 211k that does not offer on demand. There are still a lot of older receivers old there that has no internet/wifi connection.
The ViP211k does have an ethernet port for connecting to the internet. It is also capable of connecting via Wi-Fi if you add one of the Dish-branded Netgear Wi-Fi adapters. (That is how I have my ViP222k connected to the internet.) Having said that, on these particular models (ViP211 series and ViP222 series) connecting them via internet offers no additional features or benefits compared to connecting a phone line to them. Now, if you had mentioned an even older receiver, such as a 512 for example, then you might have a point.
But they don't geolocate on the 10.x.x.x address the Hopper gets from my DHCP server, they geolocate on the external address assigned by your ISP or VPN provider.Huh? Your receiver pulls an IP address if it's connected via ethernet or wifi.
But they don't geolocate on the 10.x.x.x address the Hopper gets from my DHCP server, they geolocate on the external address assigned by your ISP or VPN provider.
I hear you about not having an internet cord available where the receivers are. That is why all of mine are connected via Wi-Fi. In your case, with only one receiver on your account, it might not make any difference whether it is connected or not. However, for someone with multiple receivers on the Dish account, it is a good idea to keep them all connected by any means possible (phone line or internet) in order to avoid the potential audit situation mentioned earlier in the thread.Seems to me I was told the internet connection does nothing, as you mentioned, so it might as well not be there. I bought a Fire Stick to get Dish Anywhere. Also I have no internet cord available over where the 211k is. I know several people that do not even have a landline, just cel phones and also no internet as it is too expensive.
I hear you about not having an internet cord available where the receivers are. That is why all of mine are connected via Wi-Fi. In your case, with only one receiver on your account, it might not make any difference whether it is connected or not. However, for someone with multiple receivers on the Dish account, it is a good idea to keep them all connected by any means possible (phone line or internet) in order to avoid the potential audit situation mentioned earlier in the thread.
The main drawback of a Hopper 3 (or any Hopper) is that if that one box dies, the entire system goes down. (I know, that is why many members on here have more than one Hopper 3 for redundancy.) Also, with my setup, I get to avoid the $15 monthly DVR fee. Additional receivers (or clients) cost the same amount either way, $7 per month for another Wally (or Joey). For me, the added features of whole-home integration, PTAT, AutoHop, and any additional apps that may only be available on the Hopper 3, are nice to have but not absolutely essential. Plus, there is no way that I would ever need to record 16 (or more, depending on whether you use PTAT and/or add an OTA adapter) shows at a time, so the Hopper 3 seems like a bit of overkill.Why not a Hopper 3?
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