I don't consider cost in technical superiority. Many of you guys on here say that you get what you pay for. I definitely believe in that for the most part, no so much in buying monster cables or stuff from Bestbuy or Bose, but for the most part that is the truth.
Time Warner Chief - PS3 Won't Drive Blu-ray Adoption
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REALLY!@!
Which MOVIES?? tell ME WHY ARE YOU HOLDING OUT?? I wan't to see more then one good blu ray movie!!!When it comes to technolog, you don't really get what you pay for. The value of your dollar gets lower and lower the more you push the envelope. I could replace the engine and other parts in my car with parts that would allow it to go 180 mph. But I would be spending a lot of money for no gain. I will never drive my car that fast. In a real world application, I get about the same car either way.
And it would be hellishly expensive to have my engine replaced with parts made of hand carved ivory. Would I get what I paid for then? No. My car would not work for long, if at all.
With HD formats, it is the user experience that matters to me. If the picture looks as good with either format, it is the lower priced option that is superior. Often times, large improvements in technology are nothing finding ways to provide the same service at a lower cost.
Betamax.
Digital Compact Cassette.
SA-CD.
UMD.
Blu Ray.
Would YOU bank on one of their company backed formats prevailing? There is a long history of dead formats they championed to prove a pattern here.....
Digital Compact Cassette.
SA-CD.
UMD.
Blu Ray.
Would YOU bank on one of their company backed formats prevailing? There is a long history of dead formats they championed to prove a pattern here.....
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hey Bob, can you tell us the role of Sony in those formats? you said they championed them but really what did Sony have to do with each format....I really dont know I am asking as I have heard that the only one that Sony had a really big part in was UMD and Blu ray.
Re: Betamax look here....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax
Re: BluRay "principally backed by Sony"
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/11/spark.dvd/
and http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/26/b...l=1&adxnnlx=1166212870-F6lkU9r73mzi9vHqT7J+Rg ... which mentions the time they DIDN'T get greedy and played well with others in exchange for a cut of the format profits.... this format was DVD the biggest smash since the VHS videotape and CDs.
UMD is for their PSP only as far as I am aware.....
I made a mistake with Digital Compact Cassette........ Minidisc was their horse that they backed in an effort to eliminate the audio cassette tapes. Same argument, wrong horse I mentioned
http://news.com.com/5208-1002-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=11463&messageID=85579&start=-114
"Sony is at it again" by pushing SA-CD vs. DVD Audio.
http://hometheater.about.com/library/weekly/aa062200b.htm
And finally, a wiki on Format wars.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Format_war
where Sony is present as the troublemaker in fighting a unified format in many of them. Sometimes they win (Walkman in the 80's) sometimes they lose (Walkman vs. Ipod today), but they have helped kill many a promising format by refusing to allow a unified format to emerge. The two times they played well with others (The CD and the original DVD) were the times when the format exploded in popularity.....
A final note...... according to that format war wiki.... Fox and Disney backed the wrong horse, DIVX, last time vs. the DVD. It took them about two years to realize their mistake. Let's hope they realize it sooner this time.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax
Re: BluRay "principally backed by Sony"
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/11/11/spark.dvd/
and http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/26/b...l=1&adxnnlx=1166212870-F6lkU9r73mzi9vHqT7J+Rg ... which mentions the time they DIDN'T get greedy and played well with others in exchange for a cut of the format profits.... this format was DVD the biggest smash since the VHS videotape and CDs.
UMD is for their PSP only as far as I am aware.....
I made a mistake with Digital Compact Cassette........ Minidisc was their horse that they backed in an effort to eliminate the audio cassette tapes. Same argument, wrong horse I mentioned
http://news.com.com/5208-1002-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=11463&messageID=85579&start=-114
"Sony is at it again" by pushing SA-CD vs. DVD Audio.
http://hometheater.about.com/library/weekly/aa062200b.htm
And finally, a wiki on Format wars.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Format_war
where Sony is present as the troublemaker in fighting a unified format in many of them. Sometimes they win (Walkman in the 80's) sometimes they lose (Walkman vs. Ipod today), but they have helped kill many a promising format by refusing to allow a unified format to emerge. The two times they played well with others (The CD and the original DVD) were the times when the format exploded in popularity.....
A final note...... according to that format war wiki.... Fox and Disney backed the wrong horse, DIVX, last time vs. the DVD. It took them about two years to realize their mistake. Let's hope they realize it sooner this time.....
That’s not really the same, they are so different they can't be made compatible.
I think disc players will support backwards compatibility as long as its cheap to do, isn't HD-DVD mpeg2 anyway? What other than software support do they need for it to work? Do the HD players support CD and Video CD?
Look at the gameboy platform, support for the original game packs has been dropped in the DS version even though the slot can accept the old cartridges. The gameboy advance was only able to support the original games because they included the cpu from the original unit (Z80 I think). The DS player lacks the ancient CPU.
Bob, why is it bulling you to get 'the other guys format'? To me, HD-DVD is the other guys format. It is the one least supported. It is the one that has the smaller numbers when it comes to the tech specs. It is the one that has to sell at a much lower price to get into the market.
I was able to purchase that title in BluRay. In fact, there will be alot of titles released over the next 6 months that will only be in BluRay. And the only studio supporting only HD-DVD is Universal. When after Christmas BluRay adopters out number HD-DVD adopters and start pulling away in numbers how long will Universal hold out?
Right now with 7 studios supporting BluRay and 6 differant BluRay players on the market it looks like HD-DVD is 'the other guy'!
My point is that I resent them playing hardball with us. Release the titles on both formats and let the market decide.
Instead, in an effort to grab the lion's share of the royalties for themselves, they endanger HiDef Disc Media taking off at all with this tactic.
Once again, Fox and Disney backed the wrong horse last time around with DIVX, so I hope history proves they erred again in backing BluRay.
Instead, in an effort to grab the lion's share of the royalties for themselves, they endanger HiDef Disc Media taking off at all with this tactic.
Once again, Fox and Disney backed the wrong horse last time around with DIVX, so I hope history proves they erred again in backing BluRay.
So where is your cry at Universal for only supporting HD-DVD? Why is it not them that are backing the wrong horse? And why is it not Toshiba bullying you into their market by selling at a loss when they don't have the full support of the other studios and other manufacturers? How long will Toshiba be backing a horse that keeps losing them money? Right now it is Toshiba playing hardball because if their players sold at a price where they would be making money they would not sell. Gee, I bet you are one of those real HD-DVD supporters that took back their Toshiba's and got a 360 HD-DVD drive and think that will convince Toshiba to stay the course!
I do want Universal to support both. IF the other exclusive BluRay studios agree to at the same time. I'm not including Sony/MGM in this as they will be the last to fall if HD DVD wins the format war.
They have a product that is easier to produce, easier to implement since they can use existing DVD production facilities with minor modifications, and which has a lower price point for both hardware and media.
I never backed Toshiba. The $200 add on for the XBox 360 is what made me jump off the fence and choose a side.
Most of BluRay's early challenges was their use of Mpeg2 vs. HD DVD's use of the VC-1 codec. Now that BluRay has switched as well there should be less difference. Which begs the question then..... WHY spend twice as much for a player, and twice as much of a premium on Hi Def media vs. standard DVD to support BluRay?
Neither side will achieve critical mass on the standalone component front until they hit the magic $299 price point. I think HD DVD will hit it much sooner than BluRay will. Their production costs are much lower so they can afford to bludgeon BluRay on price indefinitely....
They have a product that is easier to produce, easier to implement since they can use existing DVD production facilities with minor modifications, and which has a lower price point for both hardware and media.
I never backed Toshiba. The $200 add on for the XBox 360 is what made me jump off the fence and choose a side.
Most of BluRay's early challenges was their use of Mpeg2 vs. HD DVD's use of the VC-1 codec. Now that BluRay has switched as well there should be less difference. Which begs the question then..... WHY spend twice as much for a player, and twice as much of a premium on Hi Def media vs. standard DVD to support BluRay?
Neither side will achieve critical mass on the standalone component front until they hit the magic $299 price point. I think HD DVD will hit it much sooner than BluRay will. Their production costs are much lower so they can afford to bludgeon BluRay on price indefinitely....
Oh come on- next year the two players will be priced about the same. And the "cost difference" isn't all that important over tens of millions of units, so nobody's going to get bludgeoned.
We'll see. The coating that BluRay requires cost more, the blue diodes are in short supply, and therefore more expensive due to supply and demand imbalances. The tooling changes required by the manufacturers are much cheaper as well for HD DVD.
Unless the Blu Ray folks don't mind flushing a whole lot of money down the drain to try and subsidize the first few years, they will have a tough time competing on price alone.... They have to convince the market that their exclusive "features" are worth the extra money. They haven't done that yet.
Unless the Blu Ray folks don't mind flushing a whole lot of money down the drain to try and subsidize the first few years, they will have a tough time competing on price alone.... They have to convince the market that their exclusive "features" are worth the extra money. They haven't done that yet.
Bob, can you post where Blue Diodes are in short supply? I dont know where you got that fact but its wrong, if you head over to the HD DVD/Blu ray area you will see that more companies are making blue diodes and therefore bringing prices down...also you have never posted more articles (well I dont know about today I havent been over there) stating recent findings like I asked... do you have some?
stories from around Labor day....
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/3363
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home...ot-enough-blue-diodes-to-go-around-197639.php
http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-delays-due-to-blue-laser-shortage/
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200609/028.asp
"PS3 Launch Descending Into Farce"
...and some newer ones....
http://www.bitburners.com/The_News/..._Disc_pick-up_heads_expected_to_ease_in_2007/
(this one says things should gradually ease as 2007 unfolds, but it is still a severe problem right now)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128259-c,dvdtechnology/article.html
states initial supply by the factory at 150,000 per month, reaching 500,000 by the end of 2007. That still won't help them feed the 2 million unit plus backlog of Sony Fanboys who can afford the PS3, much less all the early adopters who want the standalone units....
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ny_Exec_on_Those_Pesky_Blue_Laser_Diodes_/347
..a Sony exec shrugs his shoulders and blames the diode shortage for the delays...
http://www.ugeek.com/news/geeknews/2006Nov/bga20061120040658.htm
http://www.hd-dvd-news.com/archives/tdk_increases_blu-ray_capacity.htm
"Amid all the announcements, according to reports from Taipei on Wednesday, Blu-ray and HD-DVD manufacturers could be frozen in their tracks for the time being.
After only a few months of availability, blue laser diodes—the devices needed to build a high-definition DVD driver—are running out. Blue laser diode manufacturers may enter a shipment freeze until 2007 due to the massive shortage.
All but three blue laser diode suppliers—Nichia, Sharp, and Sanyo—have ceased shipping the devices to outside manufacturers. Analysts have suggested a cooling-off period until major suppliers can provide higher yields.
Consumers too could put the high-definition DVD format war on ice. Earlier this month, Screen Digest published a report showing that by 2010, most consumers will still not be as willing to spend their money on high-definition DVDs as the standard DVD format (see High-Def DVDs Tune Out).
“Whether consumers are looking for high-definition DVD discs at all is crucial to the issue,” said Ms. Jayalath. “DVDs are not being formatted for high-definition because consumers are crying out for it, but because the manufacturers are looking for something new to drive ahead the industry.
“Eventually consumers will be used to having something bigger and better, but few consumers are saying their lives are not complete without an 18-hour recordable DVD disc,” she added."
This last paragraph should scare all of us. while we argue about BluRay vs. HD DVD, the vast majority of users may just shrug and ignore both....
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/3363
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home...ot-enough-blue-diodes-to-go-around-197639.php
http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-delays-due-to-blue-laser-shortage/
http://games.kikizo.com/news/200609/028.asp
"PS3 Launch Descending Into Farce"
...and some newer ones....
http://www.bitburners.com/The_News/..._Disc_pick-up_heads_expected_to_ease_in_2007/
(this one says things should gradually ease as 2007 unfolds, but it is still a severe problem right now)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128259-c,dvdtechnology/article.html
states initial supply by the factory at 150,000 per month, reaching 500,000 by the end of 2007. That still won't help them feed the 2 million unit plus backlog of Sony Fanboys who can afford the PS3, much less all the early adopters who want the standalone units....
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...ny_Exec_on_Those_Pesky_Blue_Laser_Diodes_/347
..a Sony exec shrugs his shoulders and blames the diode shortage for the delays...
http://www.ugeek.com/news/geeknews/2006Nov/bga20061120040658.htm
http://www.hd-dvd-news.com/archives/tdk_increases_blu-ray_capacity.htm
"Amid all the announcements, according to reports from Taipei on Wednesday, Blu-ray and HD-DVD manufacturers could be frozen in their tracks for the time being.
After only a few months of availability, blue laser diodes—the devices needed to build a high-definition DVD driver—are running out. Blue laser diode manufacturers may enter a shipment freeze until 2007 due to the massive shortage.
All but three blue laser diode suppliers—Nichia, Sharp, and Sanyo—have ceased shipping the devices to outside manufacturers. Analysts have suggested a cooling-off period until major suppliers can provide higher yields.
Consumers too could put the high-definition DVD format war on ice. Earlier this month, Screen Digest published a report showing that by 2010, most consumers will still not be as willing to spend their money on high-definition DVDs as the standard DVD format (see High-Def DVDs Tune Out).
“Whether consumers are looking for high-definition DVD discs at all is crucial to the issue,” said Ms. Jayalath. “DVDs are not being formatted for high-definition because consumers are crying out for it, but because the manufacturers are looking for something new to drive ahead the industry.
“Eventually consumers will be used to having something bigger and better, but few consumers are saying their lives are not complete without an 18-hour recordable DVD disc,” she added."
This last paragraph should scare all of us. while we argue about BluRay vs. HD DVD, the vast majority of users may just shrug and ignore both....
they seem to be on track now, as they have sold close to a million total, with over 500,000 alone in the us, according to vgcharts.org, so I think they have solved the diode issue, also I have posted two articles from just last week they have stated that also, and you are right Bob, that last paragraph I dont like...hopefully they are wrong if not both our boats are sinking faster then we know!
also here is a article about the diodes being made from other man. plants. I posted this yesterday I believe (I am sorry I cant say for sure right now, I have worked way tooo much lately )
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=84721
if not both our boats are sinking faster then we know!also here is a article about the diodes being made from other man. plants. I posted this yesterday I believe (I am sorry I cant say for sure right now, I have worked way tooo much lately
)http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=84721
You can add the annoying Sony Memory Stick to that list. I have stayed away from anything Sony that wold require a memory card because of that.
It's true. Sony is running low on Blue Dildoes, which is why the PS3 has not been reaching its production goals.
Everyone knows that the Blu-ray drive requires a blue dildo.
Sharp...a BD partner is now producing them for sony. Sony needs all the help it can get.
Do you read before you post, I just put proof out there that the production has RAMPED UP on Blue diodes, also it is my understanding that HD DVD also uses blue diodes does it now?
