When or is E* going to full rezz HD?

[Madtown HD Junkie]

I saw, and Ramy confirmed, D* is at full rezz HD on all the new stuff. When is E* going to go full HD? any thoughts?

ty

 

[Ronnie-]

I saw, and Ramy confirmed, D* is at full rezz HD on all the new stuff. When is E* going to go full HD? any thoughts?

ty

It will probably be at least after the new sats are launched. Next year?

 

[jself1982]

D* won't be full rez when they start adding more HD, it seems they have 1 channel per transponder at the moment but when they start getting 2 and 3 channels per transponder, the quality starts to go down...thats why them SD upconverts they call HD looks good, reminds me of the picture quality I get on my 10' old-skool satellite that still works...!

 

[Ronnie-]

D* won't be full rez when they start adding more HD, it seems they have 1 channel per transponder at the moment but when they start getting 2 and 3 channels per transponder, the quality starts to go down...thats why them SD upconverts they call HD looks good, reminds me of the picture quality I get on my 10' old-skool satellite that still works...!

Wont be known until and if it does happen. Who knows what the bit rate is, or will be in the future. With the bandwidth capacity they have now, it may stay High bit rate(more important) and full rezz

 

[Madtown HD Junkie]

can't you get like 3 or 4 channels per TP with mpeg-4?

 

[Tom Bombadil]

What I read here was that D* intends to place 4 HD channels per transponder using MPEG4. E* is presently transmitting 6 HD channels per transponder.

If these numbers are correct, then D* will have a clear HD quality advantage over E*. The average HD channel would get 50% more bandwidth from D*.

And using the latest MPEG4 encoders, D* may well be able to transmit full-resolution even at 4 channels per transponder, with compression artifacts being relatively minor.

 

[db2]

My guess is that E* will go full res hd when the mpeg4 encoders allow them to put 6 full rez hd channels on one TP. Right now E* does not have enough space to spread out the channels to 4 per TP. Even after the new sats launch i don't see them spreading them out.

Just MHO.

 

[CKNA]

What I read here was that D* intends to place 4 HD channels per transponder using MPEG4. E* is presently putting 6 HD channels per transponder.

If these numbers are correct, then D* will have a clear HD quality advantage over E*. The average HD channel would get 50% more bandwidth from D*.

And using the latest MPEG4 encoders, D* may well be able to transmit full-resolution even at 4 channels per transponder, with compression artifacts being relatively minor.

D* is putting 4 HD channels per transponder because they only use QPSK as KA band satellites are much more prone to rain fade. E* can put 6 HD channels because they use 8PSK.

 

[Ronnie-]

D* is putting 4 HD channels per transponder because they only use QPSK as KA band satellites are much more prone to rain fade. E* can put 6 HD channels because they use 8PSK.

Still wouldnt that equate to a higher bit rate per channel?

 

[Sammy033]

Answer: 2010+
Reason: the competition isnt any better and its not an issue for most people.

I say 2010 because thats when Bluray or HD-DVD (depending on who gives up) starts makng it into a whole lot of homes. They will see the difference and start making it an issue.


Sucks

 

[ncted]

I saw, and Ramy confirmed, D* is at full rezz HD on all the new stuff. When is E* going to go full HD? any thoughts?

ty

What are you talking about? I love HD-Lite! :up:up

The more "almost-HD" channels the better! I love the fact that cable finally got on the HD-Lite bandwagon as well. It made my decision to switch to DISH that much easier.

Also, the HD OTA from NBC is still worse than what I get from DISH over the satellite from ABC, CBS, and FOX, so I am now conditioned to accepting an inferior picture as HD. Once I realized acceptance, I became a much happier person.

Ted

 

[GeorgeLV]

D* is putting 4 HD channels per transponder because they only use QPSK as KA band satellites are much more prone to rain fade. E* can put 6 HD channels because they use 8PSK.

Proof? I haven't seen one TSReader analysis of anything off D10.

Also, with DVB S2 and the closer transponder frequency guard spacing it the useful bandwidth likely exceeds what E* has even it it's only QPSK.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I'm no communications expert on 8PSK vs QPSK, but in some brief readings on them, what I've seen is that 8PSK has demonstratedly better performance under poor weather conditions but only a very minor advantage in bit rate efficiency.

If this is true, then E* might have a very small advantage if they were both running 4 HD channels per transponder, but at 6 vs 4, D* is going to have a BIG bit rate advantage.

As a HD PQ fanatic, if I ever switch to D*, I will be hoping that they never switchover to 8PSK as being limited to 4 channels per transponder is great for quality.

 

[David_Levin]

I saw, and Ramy confirmed, D* is at full rezz HD on all the new stuff. When is E* going to go full HD? any thoughts?

When it hits them in the pocketbook. Which could mean never.

Maybe, as Sammy pointed out, when Hi-DEF DVD gets rolling. But I don't think 90% of consumers will ever see enough difference to complain (plus the encoders will be a couple generations improved by then). (I'm also not sure either format will survive with the moronic format war they have going).

I think it'll take a 1080p projector pushing a 90+" screen to REALLy see the difference.

Don't forget that more bandwidth also means less recording space on your HDD. Some may prefer this compromise (though when the 2TB hdd's hit the shelves no one will care).

 

[8bitbytes]

Don't forget that more bandwidth also means less recording space on your HDD. Some may prefer this compromise (though when the 2TB hdd's hit the shelves no one will care).

Oh the pain when that drive fails!

 

[allargon]

Like it or not, the average high def viewer would rather have more channels at HD-lite than fewer channels at full rez/high bitrate.

This is no surprise considering that most current viewers have 42" or smaller 768p LCD's at a 10 ft. or greater viewing distance.

Nielsen Study: HD Owners Want More HD

That study complete contradicts the ratings. People give props to Discovery, HBO, CBS, ESPN and Fox yet give ratings to HDNet and HDNet movies.

 

[dishcomm]

I saw, and Ramy confirmed, D* is at full rezz HD on all the new stuff. When is E* going to go full HD? any thoughts?

ty

when they figure out how to get 6 gallons of water into a 5 gallon bucket.
all kidding aside. E* is going to launch moe birds. Hopewfully this will allow higher resolution..Patience

 

[darrencp22]

Nielsen Study: HD Owners Want More HD

In a related story, men like sex.

 

[Sammy033]

In a related story, men like sex.

Yes.

But men like it whether it is full sex or sex-lite

 

[berck]

I'm no communications expert on 8PSK vs QPSK, but in some brief readings on them, what I've seen is that 8PSK has demonstratedly better performance under poor weather conditions but only a very minor advantage in bit rate efficiency.

If this is true, then E* might have a very small advantage if they were both running 4 HD channels per transponder, but at 6 vs 4, D* is going to have a BIG bit rate advantage.

As a HD PQ fanatic, if I ever switch to D*, I will be hoping that they never switchover to 8PSK as being limited to 4 channels per transponder is great for quality.

This surprises me. QPSK requires less power to achieve the same bit error rate as 8PSK. I would expect QPSK to work better in poor weather conditions because of this.