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[kingofku]

In this case true, but when you aggravate the supplier they won't be so generous anymore.

Best to enjoy what's there and keep quiet.

They would be fools if they scrambled. RTV isn't a primary, or secondary network. It's a tertiary (3rd level) network providing programming to digital sub channels or main channels in rare occasions. I again state that it would cost them a small fortune to encrypt and provide IRD's to their affiliated stations. Believe me, these stations would drop RTV in a second if they had to shell out money for yet another IRD in their rack.

RTV is a barter network. That is RTV retains a certain amount of commercial time per hour and releases 4-6 minutes to the local affiliate for their use. The only income they receive is from leads and sales generated from their PI or Direct Response advertising. Again, they want/need eyes watching their programming and commercials. I do wonder what kind of license fees they paid to NBCU for their on-air programming.

However, what they could do is drop their KU signal altogether and require stations to pull in the more robust C band signal.

 

[B.J.]

But it is intended for general viewing. If it wasn't, it would be scrambled.

I don't think this is true at all. Probably over 99% of the FTA signals up there are NOT intended for general viewing, and they are not encrypted simply because it is easier for them not to encrypt. PBS is a good example. They have stated over and over that the only signal that they consider being intended for the public is the analog PBS-X channel, and yet most of their signals are not encrypted. It's just that it's easier for them to leave everything FTA rather than having to deal with encryption with affiliates with different receivers.
Sure, there may be a couple FTA channels that are actually aimed at home viewers, but that is by far the minority of FTA signals up there.

 

[tvropro]

I don't think this is true at all. Probably over 99% of the FTA signals up there are NOT intended for general viewing, and they are not encrypted simply because it is easier for them not to encrypt. PBS is a good example. They have stated over and over that the only signal that they consider being intended for the public is the analog PBS-X channel, and yet most of their signals are not encrypted. It's just that it's easier for them to leave everything FTA rather than having to deal with encryption with affiliates with different receivers.
Sure, there may be a couple FTA channels that are actually aimed at home viewers, but that is by far the minority of FTA signals up there.

So true.

 

[stanleyjohn]

I have heard that someone from RTV at one time posted here.I wonder with the extra satellite chat on the rtv facebook page someone from RTV miight be monitoring satellite guys to see what we are up too! So lets be nice to them.

 

[Mr Tony]

I have heard that someone from RTV at one time posted here.

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[turbosat]

king of ku

If they dropped those ku feeds, and lowered power on the c-band side, we might all have to get those 19meter dishes like they were talking about in the Galaxy 15 thread!

 

[Phottoman]

Yeah, if they ever DID encrypt RTV, eventually we'd get used to it, there's still (****), (****), (****) and (****) to watch, plus all those S-2 feeds.

Oh, should I not have mentioned those signals?

Time to edit my posting I guess.

Photto
(I only hope I made someone smile)

 

[eurosport]

(I only hope I made someone smile)

:up

 

[Dishman Dan]

Yeah, if they ever DID encrypt RTV...

From what I understand, RTV has a national feed with national commercials. So why would it cause a problem to view it FTA if it is pretty much the same wherever or however it is received???

Is there anyway to guesstimate how many possible FTA viewers are out there??? I do not think that the numbers would justify encryption!

Maybe they are thinking somewhat like Charlie, (bass ackwards!)
Charlie seems to think that any FTA is piracy and maybe "scramblers" are thinking that pirates are FTA and they were some big numbers!

 

[kingofku]

From what I understand, RTV has a national feed with national commercials. So why would it cause a problem to view it FTA if it is pretty much the same wherever or however it is received???

Is there anyway to guesstimate how many possible FTA viewers are out there??? I do not think that the numbers would justify encryption!

Maybe they are thinking somewhat like Charlie, (bass ackwards!)
Charlie seems to think that any FTA is piracy and maybe "scramblers" are thinking that pirates are FTA and they were some big numbers!

Has it been confirmed that their "national" feed has "real" commercials (i.e. automobile, restaurants, etc.) Without audience substantiation (i.e. Nielsen Media Research), they can't attract national advertisers because they can't prove what their audience is by numbers and demographics. The last time I looked at their signal - I saw no "AMOL - Audience Measurement of Lineup" in their vertical interval. Also, by law they should be close captioning all of their programming and it isn't. But that's another issue.

If someone can confirm they are airing true advertisments (not attorneys, battery chairs, etc).....let me know.

 

[Mr Tony]

the commercials they show are those national channels like you'd see on syndicated shows

I've seen enough of the syndicated shows backhauls on C-band and you see those same commercials. Its the same type of commercials they used when Equity was around

 

[Dishman Dan]

If someone can confirm they are airing true advertisments (not attorneys, battery chairs, etc).....let me know.

On my TV a commercial is a commercial!

In their book a dollar is a dollar or maybe in this case any dollar is a dollar!

 

[kingofku]

the commercials they show are those national channels like you'd see on syndicated shows

I've seen enough of the syndicated shows backhauls on C-band and you see those same commercials. Its the same type of commercials they used when Equity was around

It makes me wonder if this venture isn't backed by the resources of NBC/Universal, since nearly all of their programming comes from the 80's Universal library.

 

[Corrado]

Has it been confirmed that their "national" feed has "real" commercials (i.e. automobile, restaurants, etc.) Without audience substantiation (i.e. Nielsen Media Research), they can't attract national advertisers because they can't prove what their audience is by numbers and demographics. The last time I looked at their signal - I saw no "AMOL - Audience Measurement of Lineup" in their vertical interval. Also, by law they should be close captioning all of their programming and it isn't. But that's another issue.

If someone can confirm they are airing true advertisments (not attorneys, battery chairs, etc).....let me know.

RTV most certainly airs commercials on my local OTA affiliate WTEN for local businesses and even there own promos for news, weather etc. These same commercials are on the C band feed on AMC3. I have seen other commercials on the other feeds for plumbing companies and restaurants etc. I saw one last night airing promos for a cable channel. All inserted for satellite transmission and not added at the affiliate level. This is in addition to the lawyer and power chair etc. commercials that all most common.

 

[Mr Tony]

Corrado
Interesting that the local commercials are on the C-Band feed. I figured they (the station) would insert them at the local level

 

[kingofku]

On my TV a commercial is a commercial!

In their book a dollar is a dollar or maybe in this case any dollar is a dollar!

Not necessarily. Without any type of rating mechanism, they cannot determine their audience and demographics (as I stated previously). The advertisements they run (at least on the Ku side) are what as know as Per-Inquiry where they get a certain amount of money for each inquiry or sale made from that ad. Direct Response ads are similar except that usually they front X number of dollars to the network and then deduct dollars from that advance as sales of their product are made. If they don't achieve a certain number of sales per quarter, the ad is usually dropped and any remaining up front money has to be returned.

On the other hand, traditional advertising, which is based on viewer ratings are sold (or presold) for X dollars based upon a guarantee rating. If, when the ratings are processed and digested, it has not achieved the guaranteed rating by the network, the ad agency will request what are called "AD's" or audience deficiencies otherwise known as makegood to make up for the difference in the original ratings guarantee and what really occurred.

FYI, sometimes those two minute direct response or per inquiry spots air on traditional broadcast and cable networks. Most of the times they follow the same pattern as above. However, networks like TNT, TBS, etc that have big audience numbers usually get a big up-front payment or the spot is purchased for cash.

A commercial may be a commercial on your tv, but they follow the rules outlined above.

 

[Dishman Dan]

... A commercial may be a commercial on your tv, but they follow the rules outlined above.

Yes that is the way it works.

I was trying to say is that I do not get too excited about commercials and I do not pay much attention to them. You did not seem to think that attorneys and battery chairs count as real commercials is what I was getting at. I think that they still generate revenue for the station so to me they are still commercials no matter how annoying. There is a night and day difference between "big city" commercials and the ones shown in one horse towns but they all are commercials that keep the lights on at the station.

 

[Corrado]

I can't help but think about when some providers insert a commercial of their own over what the network is playing. On 4DTV with HITS, I often catch a glimpse of another commercial just ending before returning to the programming. These aren't local affiliates but channels like SyFy, History etc. How does that factor into payment? Maybe setup as time for others to insert their own over national ads?

Once in a while I know it's right over programming that's running that really irritates me.

 

[stanleyjohn]

Looks like RTV has cooled off on the scamble threat!Someone on RTV face book asked about RTV west and the reply from RTV was that RTV west can be seen on AMC 3 c band and also AMC 7 c.

 

[JimmyMcGee]

Looks like RTV has cooled off on the scamble threat!Someone on RTV face book asked about RTV west and the reply from RTV was that RTV west can be seen on AMC 3 c band and also AMC 7 c.

See if you act like a civilized human being you get better treatment. For anyone to get "pissy" because something RTV PAID for that you get for free is rude a disrespectful.