Wow terrible service with Dish moving to Directv

[stardust3]

Why must people bring Charlie's earnings into matters like this? What he makes has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. None of us actually know how Charlie is making the majority of his income right now. The man probably makes some from salary pay, more from dividends from shares of the company and even more money from investments in other companies. Just because he is worth a lot of money doesn't mean that money is coming from our pockets and we have the right to take advantage of his company.

Whoa...slow down there Mr Dish. You come out swinging those pom poms all wild like that. You could short out a node...fry an ehd...dongleate an ota module or something.

It was a joke, imo Charlie & his money are fair game for wise cracks.

 

[ChadT41]

I agree with your post. I cannot remember the reference, but jokes about Charlie's money should be fair game. People that are serious about blaming Charlie and his money, that's when it should remain out of it. You both are right, IMO

 

[MikeD-C05]

I agree, but it would also limit Dish's services to a large number of people. I doubt Dish wants to do that.

Well if they call and audit people that have neither a phone line or internet connected to their receivers ,they will end up with only one receiver left on anyway. This just cuts that step out and DISH is being up front about it ,instead of back dooring customers with Surprise Audits.

 

[dishcomm]

YOUR ACTIVATION OF A DISH NETWORK ACCOUNT AND
RECEIPT OF DISH NETWORK SERVICES OR EQUIPMENT SHALL CONSTITUT
E YOUR ACCEPTANCE OF
THIS AGREEMENT. Also in the RSA

It's not an agreement unless BOTH parties have seen and acknowledged said agreement.
In other words, a contract is not a contract unless both parties agree.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/175238
Consent. A valid contract also requires the parties' consent, which must be free, mutual and communicated to each other.......I have not done this. Your premise is an "assumption of agreement" based on the language of one party. For this to be valid and enforceable, BOTH parties must agree. The language "by accepting ( a thing from us) you agree to OUR terms" is not set in stone. You may believe it is, but what you believe is immaterial. All that matters is if the claimed inured party prevails in a dispute, all the fancy "trap" language in the world gets you no mileage.
"Also, consent isn't mutual unless the parties agree on the same thing in the same sense. "....I signed no paper. Made no verbal agreement. A party cannot bind another over to an agreement without the consent of BOTH parties.
http://www.atyourlibrary.org/financial-tips/nuts-and-bolts-enforceable-contract

 

[ChadT41]

If you ever made a payment to dish, after receiving a bill, whether it be electronic or otherwise, especially since January, then you have accepted the terms. It was posted on one of those bills, if not all of them, acceptance into the RSA. You would be hard pressed to win that one. Pretty sure dish lawyers have though that one out.

 

[Scherrman]

Whoa...slow down there Mr Dish. You come out swinging those pom poms all wild like that. You could short out a node...fry an ehd...dongleate an ota module or something.

It was a joke, imo Charlie & his money are fair game for wise cracks.

I'm not trying to be a Dish fan boy or wave any pom poms. I just get upset at a lot of people's ignorance and how they just like to place blame on anyone they can think of. Not many people like to to think about things from both sides, the customer's and the business owner's.

If you just want to joke around then I have no problems. I didn't realize you were just cracking a joke.

 

[mruk69]

I'm not usually one to give cheats to beat the system but in your case it may be legit. I would recommend possibly going the cable route, try it for 60 days, and then if you miss dish, come back after the 60 day mark as a former customer with all the benefits. Two birds one stone, and you may be able to maximize your value and programming. The other cool part to that is you may be able to use a referal coupon when you come back for even more savings.

Actually I believe you have to wait 6 months to get the deals. You would be better off to come back as a new user and open a account under a spouse or other family members name. Also slightly change address e.g if you had service at 123 Sesame Street change it to 123a Sesame Street. Oh and give a cell phone instead of home tel number.

 

[ChadT41]

It is only 60 days. It used to be 90 days a couple years ago, but about 1-1 1/2 years ago they changed it to 60 days, and has been verified on here by DIRT multiple times.

 

[skyviewmark]

In my observations through the years, the only one who loses during a failed Dish Nazi audit is Dish itself. 3 or 4 families stacking together get cut off by the audit.. The named account holder shuts off it's services, and another one of the stacking group gets service in their name including ALL new leased equipment. Now Dish is out all this new equipment and the stacking group is right back in business where it started, not really out anything other than a few days waiting to get new equipment. And this cycle continues anytime they get shut down.. Not condoning this practice. Just stating the facts. And yes, there are bad dealers out there that will continue to do these installs because it's money in their pocket that DISH just handed them because of the Dish Nazi Audit.

 

[rvvaquero]

In my observations through the years, the only one who loses during a failed Dish Nazi audit is Dish itself. 3 or 4 families stacking together get cut off by the audit.. The named account holder shuts off it's services, and another one of the stacking group gets service in their name including ALL new leased equipment. Now Dish is out all this new equipment and the stacking group is right back in business where it started, not really out anything other than a few days waiting to get new equipment. And this cycle continues anytime they get shut down.. Not condoning this practice. Just stating the facts. And yes, there are bad dealers out there that will continue to do these installs because it's money in their pocket that DISH just handed them because of the Dish Nazi Audit.

Do you have documentation to support these "facts".

 

[skyviewmark]

Sorry, but since I don't do these installs, there is no way to "Document" this. But every dealer I know, "Knows" dealers and installers that do these kind of things. The money is too good for them not too. And I have lost lots of business to these shady dealers and installers, some of which actually work for Dish RSP's. If I could put a stop to this, I would. It hurts my bottom line that I won't do these kind of installs. Guess it hurts to have ethics in a business where your main competition comes from the Company you actually are trying to sell service for.

 

[Scherrman]

In my observations through the years, the only one who loses during a failed Dish Nazi audit is Dish itself. 3 or 4 families stacking together get cut off by the audit.. The named account holder shuts off it's services, and another one of the stacking group gets service in their name including ALL new leased equipment. Now Dish is out all this new equipment and the stacking group is right back in business where it started, not really out anything other than a few days waiting to get new equipment. And this cycle continues anytime they get shut down.. Not condoning this practice. Just stating the facts. And yes, there are bad dealers out there that will continue to do these installs because it's money in their pocket that DISH just handed them because of the Dish Nazi Audit.

Just because a dealer sold the system doesn't mean they are aware of what the customer is doing. I know that some do, but not all. If a customer comes in to buy a receiver from me it's none of my business what they do with it. If I'm signing up a new customer, as long as I'm installing all the equipment in their house I have no idea what they do with that equipment afterwards.

 

[rvvaquero]

Sorry, but since I don't do these installs, there is no way to "Document" this. But every dealer I know, "Knows" dealers and installers that do these kind of things. The money is too good for them not too. And I have lost lots of business to these shady dealers and installers, some of which actually work for Dish RSP's. If I could put a stop to this, I would. It hurts my bottom line that I won't do these kind of installs. Guess it hurts to have ethics in a business where your main competition comes from the Company you actually are trying to sell service for.

Are you saying that there are dealers who knowingly install equipment at different locations on the same account? If you know of these, why don't you report them to Dish? Then, you wouldn't have to compete against those dealers anymore.

 

[stardust3]

I had a guy stop me in the grocery store parking lot not long ago. He offered me a $100 to tune his dish. I said ok sure, it was only a few blocks from the store.

I get there & after tuning the dish I walk inside. I said where is your dish receiver? He said right there on the entertainment center. There was no dish receiver it was a fta box.

I had no idea before hand & frankly it's not my fault dish can't secure their system.

 

[Teehar]

I will agree that the audits are a little invasive and they may be rude but I'm pretty sure Dish isn't breaking any rules by doing them. I have to assume they they have every right to make sure the customer is using Dish's equipment the way it is intended for.

Turning off someones service even though bill is paid in full skates on very thin ice.Just saying one of these days they will do it to someone that will sue.

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[Teehar]

Rest assured, Dish thought it out, including lawyers.

Thats funny, they had a field of lawyers and thought they were in the clear with tivo and voom, we all saw and paid for that too.

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[sam_gordon]

In my observations through the years, the only one who loses during a failed Dish Nazi audit is Dish itself. 3 or 4 families stacking together get cut off by the audit.. The named account holder shuts off it's services, and another one of the stacking group gets service in their name including ALL new leased equipment. Now Dish is out all this new equipment and the stacking group is right back in business where it started, not really out anything other than a few days waiting to get new equipment. And this cycle continues anytime they get shut down.. Not condoning this practice. Just stating the facts. And yes, there are bad dealers out there that will continue to do these installs because it's money in their pocket that DISH just handed them because of the Dish Nazi Audit.

Sorry, but since I don't do these installs, there is no way to "Document" this. But every dealer I know, "Knows" dealers and installers that do these kind of things. The money is too good for them not too. And I have lost lots of business to these shady dealers and installers, some of which actually work for Dish RSP's. If I could put a stop to this, I would. It hurts my bottom line that I won't do these kind of installs. Guess it hurts to have ethics in a business where your main competition comes from the Company you actually are trying to sell service for.

So Dish only hurts itself when it tries to cut down on stacking, but allowing stacking hurts YOUR bottom line.

 

[Hall]

Thats funny, they had a field of lawyers and thought they were in the clear with tivo and voom, we all saw and paid for that too.

It's all about interpretation

 

[Scherrman]

Turning off someones service even though bill is paid in full skates on very thin ice.Just saying one of these days they will do it to someone that will sue.

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If a person lost their service for a while because they were wrongfully accused then I suppose they could sue Dish. I have a feeling that Dish has themselves pretty well protected against any lawsuits like that though. I also don't see why anyone would go through suing a company over a month or two of lost programming. If they still have one TV working then a customer couldn't sue over lost programming, only the extra equipment fees, so you would only be looking at minimal fees.

 

[Stargazer]

I thought Dish stopped the pirating on the FTA receivers a while back and that the new encryption was secure with the last card swap.