Is there enough Bandwidth to add espn2 HD, Starz HD, etc.?

[jtrain73]

I am with BHN Central FL (Orlando) and eagerly awaiting espn2 HD (holding my breath) and I know others would like the HD versions of Starz, Cinemax, etc.

Do they have sufficient bandwidth to add these channels?

 

[iceturkee]

since all channels are digital now, i believe that should have freed up bandwidth, but don't quote me on it! as for any new hd, i don't expect anything until sometime next year. in the 2 years, on and off, that i have had bhn, they have added 3 new hd channels......a&e, espn, and universal. that's piss poor, in my opinion!!

 

[LonghornXP]

since all channels are digital now, i believe that should have freed up bandwidth, but don't quote me on it! as for any new hd, i don't expect anything until sometime next year. in the 2 years, on and off, that i have had bhn, they have added 3 new hd channels......a&e, espn, and universal. that's piss poor, in my opinion!!

All channels on a digital box are digital now (that isn't going all digital just) as they are now doing what is called advanced digital simulcasting which takes more bandwidth not less. Either way I can say yes they have enough bandwidth to add many more HD channels and they also have the option of switched video technology if needed to create more HD bandwidth.

 

[stevenl]

a birdie told me starz and cinemax HD will come along with the On-Demand versions of those channels..... stay tuned.

 

[iceturkee]

hmm, we've been hearing that since very early this year, beside espn2hd.

don't get me wrong, i have nothing against bhn, just wish they would add more hd to remain competative with directv and dish.

oh, wait, i do have a problem......no fox sports net florida.....hence, no marlins games. boo!!

 

[stevenl]

FSN would be a great addon to the already powerful BHN lineup. Although recently BHN has been focusing on the Spanish lineup in oralndo as their is a huge population here. with the addition of Esponal on demand. they also recently added International movies on-demand. with over 22 HD channels but only around 10% HD penetration they have to focus on "what will impact the most customers" not what will impact a few hundred people only who are obbseesed with TV technology

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

I can't speak for Orlando, but in the Tampabay area, they are currently running at 750mhz and they will be moving to a system 860mhz very shortly - thus adding 18 more QAMs which will give them all sorts of possibilities.

If memory serves correctly, the system in Tampa was built out for 1000mhz, but the plant was the limiting factor at 750mhz.

 

[iceturkee]

pardon me, i'm not obsessed with tv technology. i just want to know why bhn can't provide the same channels, especially in hd, that either verizon or comcast does....for about the same price or less.

i'm really getting tired of lame excuses. i'm getting tired of being lied too! if it wasn't for the fact that a few of your csr's and supervisors, plus a few technicians actually care about their customers, i'd still be pulling my hair out with directv!

 

[stevenl]

Well the orlando system currently is installing the new 1ghz BDR (split) nodes but before the entire system is upgraded want be for along time. we started setting up the 870 gear gainmaker stuff but that didnt last long before we started using 1 gig.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

pardon me, i'm not obsessed with tv technology. i just want to know why bhn can't provide the same channels, especially in hd, that either verizon or comcast does....for about the same price or less.

i'm really getting tired of lame excuses. i'm getting tired of being lied too! if it wasn't for the fact that a few of your csr's and supervisors, plus a few technicians actually care about their customers, i'd still be pulling my hair out with directv!

I felt the same way as you (except for the price issue - as my BHN video bill is much lower than what I know others pay for Verizon, Comcast, Dish or Directv).

I felt there must be something wrong that BHN was not offering as many HD Channels as Comcast.

One day I sat down and mapped out every channel on Comcast's Atlanta system which I think is a great Comcast System. They pass everything literally at full bitrate - and have Cinemax, StarzHD, MHD - of interest to you would be the ESPN2HD and NFL stuff.

I wanted to compare that 750mhz system to the Tampabay 750mhz system.

What I found after several hours of mapping it out really surprised me as I was convinced someone was wasting bandwidth in the Brighthouse system that was causing the shortage.

This is apples to apples with the Tampa and Atlanta System, but I am sure Orlando is similar.

On the Comcast Atlanta system, they had in HD with no equivalent on BHN:

1) ESPN2HD
2) MHD
3) CinemaxHD
4) STARZHD
5) Local MyNetworkTV HDTV Affiliate

On the TampaBay system, in HD with no equivalent on Comcast Atlanta:
1) Local PBS HD Affiliate
2) A&E HD
3) INHD2
4) HDNET
5) HDNET Movies
6) Universal HD

On top of that, there were 6 4:3 DTV multicast channels (PBS stations multicasts) that were not covered on Comcast.

Now, BHN is not passing through the locals at full bitrate - so its still not apples to apples - but I was surprised to see there was 1 more Full HD Channel on BHN than Comcast.

As I laid out the rest of the system, other things because evident.

Unlike BHN, Comcast does not pass the West Coast feeds of any Showtime Channels saving 7 SD QAM channels. Same with the 2 West Coast The Movie Channel channels - thus 9 SD QAM Channels savings. They do not include Cinemax Thriller Max West, HBO Comedy West or HBO Zone West - thus a total savings of 12 QAM Channels.

If BHN would drop those 12 West Coast feeds (remember that the East Coasts feeds are still available - these are just 3 hours later), BHN would have the Bandwidth to add 2 HD Channels - say CinemaxHD, ESPN2HD, MHD or STARZHD. (My understanding that the STARZHD problem is they make the MSO offer Starz InDemand which BHN does not have).

What makes dropping the 12 West Coast feeds an even more no brainer is 1) the advent of DVRs and 2) all the HBO/Showtime/Cinemax On Demand that BHN offers that I am not sure if Comcast Atlanta offers or not. Why run a West Coast 3 hour delay on this stuff if its available On Demand?

Yes, there were SD channels that Comcast had that BHN didn't - but it went both ways. BHN had Sleuth, CNBC World, Fuel (on the Sports Tier), some Nick channels and Disney too - Comcast had some additional MTV/VH1/BET, NFL Net (should be on the sports tier) and foreign language channels.

Comcast does not have dedicated NFL HD Channel and makes a place for the 8 games a year - just as BHN could do on 650 HD Sports Channel in Tampa if they ever put the NFL NET on the Sports Tier.

The PPV looked very similar - it appears BHN probably has more On Demand stuff than Comcast. BHN had Howard Stern and it doesn't appear Comcast does.

So the bottom line, I expected to see something really wrong with BHN and point to it and say, "see, why can't you do that" I was instead very surprised at how they have more HD stuff than Comcast - even if I did not agree with all the selections.

No as for D* and E*, BHN does offer more HD channels than D* - again, we can debate the selection - but as Directv is only 14 - BHN has them beat.

E* has more HD-LITE channels - but only the 2 HD Movie Channels of 148W (that I suspect I am the only one in Florida receiving - and I am using a 1.2M dish for the extra headroom) look as good as what I can get from BHN via my cablecard.

 

[iceturkee]

interesting, as you have put forth a lot of effort with your comparisons.

if i haven't already said it, i really don't have major issues with bhn. the hd pq beats what i was getting with d* and i don't have to play csr roulette with them. most of the time, they take very good care of me and work within my budget.

obviously, i'm a sports fanatic and i'm not happy with the obvious, no espn2hd, no fsn florida hd (for the games, like bhn does with sun sports), and no nfl network hd for the games.

i think they've been slow to add new hd channels. and then there was the contract dispute they had with (formerly) sunshine network a few years ago when there were no magic games broadcast for almost 2 months. i didn't miss anything at the time because i switched to dish.

granted, no one system is perfect and there will be complaints.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

interesting, as you have put forth a lot of effort with your comparisons.

I was really determined to have it all laid out and be able to point my finger at it and say, THERE! why can't you do this!!! Unfortunately for me, I couldn't do that at the end of several hours.

If you are curious, this is the way it shook out:

Unique to Comcast

BHN,COMCAST,CHANNEL
0,182,AFRICA CHANNEL
0,286,AZN TELEVISION
0,532,AZTECA AMERICA
0,277,BET GOSPEL
0,276,BET HIP HOP
0,270,BOOMERANG
0,500,CANAL SUR
0,151,CANAL52 MX
0,502,CANAL52 MX
0,513,CASA CLUB TV
0,507,CINE MEXICANO
0,508,CINELATINO
0,206,CNN I
0,263,DAYSTAR
0,160,ENCORE ACTION WEST
0,156,ENCORE DRAMA WEST
0,157,ENCORE LOVE WEST
0,158,ENCORE MYSTERY WEST
0,159,ENCORE WESTERNS WEST
0,527,EWTN ESPANOL
0,119,FALCON VISION
0,265,FAMILY NET
0,185,FEARNET ON DEMAND
0,518,FIESTA TROPICAL
0,108,FOX REALITY
0,294,GOL TV
0,504,GOL TV
0,189,GOSPEL MUSIC CHANNEL
0,885,HDTV CINEMAX
0,847,HDTV ESPN2
0,850,HDTV MHD
0,813,HDTV MYNETWORK LOCAL AFFILIATE
0,895,HDTV STARZ
0,511,HISTORY EN ESPANOL
0,183,INDIEPLEX
0,262,INSPIRATIONAL LIFE
0,390,KTN KOREAN TV
0,517,LATIN CONTEMPORARY
0,520,LATIN JAZZ
0,141,LIME
0,288,LOGO
0,525,MEXICO 22
0,155,MOVIE PLEX
0,163,MTV HITS
0,167,MTV JAMS
0,524,MUSIC DE LAS AMERICAS
0,136,NASA
0,293,NBA TV
0,294,NBA TV
0,118,NFL NETWORK
0,289,NFL NETWORK
0,268,NICK 2
0,267,NICK GAS
0,526,ONCE TV
0,271,PBS SPROUT
0,543,PLAYBOY CHANNEL
0,521,REGIONAL MEXICAN
0,184,RETROPLEX
0,519,ROCK EN ESPANOL
0,523,SALSA
0,528,SORPRESA
0,327,STARZ COMEDY
0,522,TEJANO
0,503,TELEMUNDO
0,530,TELFUTURA
0,512,TOON DISNEY
0,53,TURNER SOUTH
0,533,TV CHILE
0,534,TV COLOMBIA
0,392,TV JAPAN
0,509,TVE INTERNCIONAL
0,166,VH1
0,165,VH1 SOUL
0,261,WORD NETWORK

Unique to BHN

BHN,Comcast,Channel
365,0,A&E ON DEMAND
110,0,AMERICA'S STORE
995,0,ANSWERS ON DEMAND
352,0,AOL MUSIC ON DEMAND
609,0,BAYNEWS 9 DIGITAL
139,0,BAYNEWS 9 EN ESPANOL,
342,0,BAYNEWS 9 ON DEMAND,
366,0,BBC AMERICA ON DEMAND,
343,0,CARTOON NETWORK ON DEMAND,
220,0,CINEMAX ON DEMAND,
141,0,CNBC WORLD,
344,0,CNN SHOWCASE ON DEMAND,
346,0,COURT TV ON DEMAND,
345,0,CUTTING EDGE ON DEMAND,
997,0,DAILY EDITION ON DEMAND,
603,0,DIGITAL PBS DIGITAL SD,
604,0,DIGITAL PBS KIDS DIGITAL SD,
622,0,DIGITAL WCLF RELIGOUS DIGITAL,
616,0,DIGITAL WUSF 1 DIGITAL,
617,0,DIGITAL WUSF 2 DIGITAL,
618,0,DIGITAL WUSF 3 DIGITAL,
619,0,DIGITAL WUSF 4 DIGITAL
160-165,0,DIGITAL SHOPPING CHANNELS
105,0,DISNEY 2
111,0,EWTN 2
998,0,EXTRA ON DEMAND
356,0,FINE LIVING ON DEMAND
115,0,FLIX WEST
806,0,FUEL SPORTS
140,0,GAME AND SPORTS NETWORK
357,0,GOLF ON DEMAND
353,0,GREAT AMERICAN COUNTRY ON DEMAND
212,0,HBO COMEDY WEST
200,0,HBO ON DEMAND
213,0,HBO ZONE WEST
692,0,HDTV A&E
705,0,HDTV HDNET
706,0,HDTV HDNET MOVIES
704,0,HDTV INHD 2
605,0,HDTV PBS
708,0,HDTV UNIVERSAL HD
290,0,HOWARD STERN ON DEMAND
350,0,KIDS ON DEMAND
347,0,LIFESTYLE ON DEMAND
143,0,LIFETIME REAL WOMEN
341,0,MARKETPLACE ON DEMAND
260,0,MOVE CHANNEL THE ON DEMAND
264,0,MOVIE CHANNEL EXTRA WEST
263,0,MOVIE CHANNEL THE WEST
999,0,MY ACCOUNT ON DEMAND
355,0,NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC ON DEMAND
354,0,OXYGEN ON DEMAND
253,0,SHOWTIME BEYOND WEST
255,0,SHOWTIME EXTREME WEST
256,0,SHOWTIME FAMILY ZONE WEST
254,0,SHOWTIME NEXT WEST
240,0,SHOWTIME ON DEMAND
251,0,SHOWTIME SHOWCASE WEST
250,0,SHOWTIME TOO WEST
249,0,SHOWTIME WEST
252,0,SHOWTIME WOMEN WEST
130,0,SLEUTH
137,0,SOAP NET
358,0,SPEED ON DEMAND
364,0,SPORTSKOOL ON DEMAND
31,0,SUN SPORTS
901,0,SUR SPANISH
340,0,TAMPA BAY ON DEMAND
362,0,TBS ON DEMAND
232,0,THRILLER MAX WEST
363,0,TNT ON DEMAND
361,0,TV GUIDE SPOT ON DEMAND
948,0,WZRA

Common to Both

BHN,Comcast,Channel
226,349,@MAX
227,350,5 STAR MAX
48,38,A&E
11,3,ABC
52,39,ABC FAMILY
628,803,ABC HDTV+C125
14,22,ACCESS
15,23,ACCESS
18,24,ACCESS
19,25,ACCESS
47,19,ACCESS
96,26,ACCESS
223,345,ACTION MAX EAST
231,335,ACTION MAX WEST
22,66,AMC
134,285,AMERICANLIFE TV
35,61,ANIMAL PLANET
9,21,BAYNEWS 9/ACCESS
123,130,BBC
65,72,BET
107,275,BET ON JAZZ
104,219,BIOGRAPHY CHANNEL
145,272,BLACK FAMILY CHANNEL
127,207,BLOOMBERG
54,70,BRAVO
129,125,C SPAN 3
62,62,CARTOON NET
10,9,CBS
610,809,CBS HDTV
221,341,CINEMAX EAST
229,331,CINEMAX WEST
58,78,CMT
42,36,CNBC
40,34,CNN
902,501,CNN EN ESPANOL
41,35,CNN HEADLINE
61,68,COMEDY CENTRAL
55,58,COURT TV
99,30,CSPAN
50,31,CSPAN 2
128,107,CURRENT TV
4,10,CW
102,133,DISCOVER KIDS
51,40,DISCOVERY CHANNEL
903,510,DISCOVERY EN ESPANOL
690,844,DISCOVERY HD THEATER
72,131,DISCOVERY HEALTH
108,253,DISCOVERY HOME
135,221,DISCOVERY TIMES
68,64,DISNEY
136,254,DIY
37,56,E!
66,142,ENCORE
193,142,ENCORE
197,147,ENCORE ACTION
198,143,ENCORE DRAMA
194,144,ENCORE LOVE
196,145,ENCORE MYSTERY
199,139,ENCORE WAM
195,146,ENCORE WESTERN
27,46,ESPN
26,122,ESPN CLASSIC
511-516,451-456,ESPN GAME PLAN/FULL COURT
707,846,ESPN HDTV
121,121,ESPN NEWS
28,47,ESPN2
551-556,403,EVENTS NASCAR IN CAR PPV
PPV,401-402,EVENTS PPV
46,264,EWTN
142,255,FINE LIVING
114,256,FIT TV
118,384,FLIX
192,281,FMC
56,57,FOOD
13,4,FOX
800,290,FOX COLLEGE SPORTS ATLANTIC
801,291,FOX COLLEGE SPORTS CENTRAL
802,292,FOX COLLEGE SPORTS PACIFIC
613,804,FOX HDTV
67,37,FOX NEWS
120,124,FOX SOCCER
69,48,FOX SPORTS NET
904,506,FOX SPORTS WORLD ESPANOL
348,YES,FREE MOVIES ON DEMAND
132,284,FUSE
39,43,FX
124,134,G4TECHTV
79,531,GALAVISION
116,128,GAME SHOW NET
32,49,GOLF CHANNEL
133,170,GREAT AMERICAN COUNTRY
57,59,H&G
49,77,HALLMARK
202,303,HBO 2 EAST
209,313,HBO 2 WEST
205,304,HBO COMEDY EAST
201,301,HBO EAST
700,880,HBO EAST HDTV
204,307,HBO FAMILY EAST
211,317,HBO FAMILY WEST
207,309,HBO LATINO EAST
214,319,HBO LATINO WEST
203,305,HBO SIGNATURE EAST
210,315,HBO SIGNATURE WEST
208,311,HBO WEST
206,306,HBO ZONE EAST
64,52,HISTORY CHANNEL
101,218,HISTORY INTERNATIONAL
PPV,440,HOT CHOICE PPV
PPV,441,HOT NETWORK PPV
PPV,442,HOT ZONE PPV
21,29,HSN
YES,409-410,In DEMAND MOVIES PPV
632,807,IND HDTV
113,140,INDEPENDENT FILM CHANNEL
703,876,INHD 1
95,149,JEWERLY CHANNEL
38,55,LIFETIME
73,202,LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK
109,150,LOCAL
10,2,LOCAL INDEPENDENT OTA
2,5,LOCAL RELIGIOUS OTA IND
103,220,MILITARY CHANNEL
571-574,471-481,MLS DIRECT KICK
222,343,MORE MAX EAST
230,333,MORE MAX WEST
262,383,MOVIE CHANNEL EXTRA EAST
261,381,MOVIE CHANNEL THE EAST
30,120,MSNBC
44,50,MTV
905,514,MTV EN ESPANOL
126,162,MTV2
906,529,MUN2
401-447,901-947,MUSIC AUDIO ONLY CHANNELS
6,13,MYNETWORK
551-556,404-408,NASCAR IN CAR/MOVES PPV
71,138,NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
521-531,471-481,NBA LEAGUE PASS
520,470,NBA PREVIEW
803,482,NBA TV
8,6,NBC
608,806,NBC HDTV
607,211,NBC WEATHER PLUS
541-550,460-469,NHL CENTER ICE/MLB EXTRA INNINGS
144,269,NICK TOONS
36,63,NICKELODEON
125,135,NOGGIN
YES,1,ON DEMAND
805,210,OUTDOOR CHANNEL
228,348,OUTER MAX
106,282,OVATION
74,54,OXYGEN
17,12,PAX/i
3,8,PBS
16,16,PBS
PPV,444,PLAYBOY EN ESPANOL PPV
334,443,PLAYBOY PPV
PPV,447,PLEASURE NETWORK PPV
300,400,PPV PREVIEWS
29,20,QVC
100,132,SCIENCE CHANNEL
60,74,SCI-FI
24,148,SHOP NBC
241,361,SHOWTIME
245,362,SHOWTIME BEYOND
247,368,SHOWTIME EXTREME
248,369,SHOWTIME FAMILY ZONE
701,890,SHOWTIME HDTV
246,370,SHOWTIME NEXT
243,366,SHOWTIME SHOWCASE
242,364,SHOWTIME TOO
244,371,SHOWTIME WOMEN
31,45,SOUTHEAST SPORT/SUN SPORTS
112,75,SPEED
332,446,SPICE 2 PPV
331,445,SPICE PPV
53,76,SPIKE
650,755,SPORTS HDTV
271,321,STARZ
275,326,STARZ CINEMA
272,323,STARZ EDGE
273,324,STARZ INBLACK
274,325,STARZ KIDS AND FAMILY
119,129,STYLE
117,280,SUNDANCE
131,11,TBN
23,7,TBS
5,250,TELEFUTURA
76,73,TELEMUND
804,127,TENNIS
224,346,THRILLER MAX EAST
34,33,TLC
33,41,TNT
691,841,TNT HDTV
122,266,TOON DISNEY
43,60,TRAVEL CHANNEL
59,69,TURNER CLASSIC
98,27,TV GUIDE
75,65,TV LAND
146,71,TV ONE
7,14,UNIVISION
25,42,USA
70,44,VERSUS SPORTS
45,51,VH-1
138,164,VH1 CLASSIC ROCK
78,199,WE
63,32,WE

Bottom line, I do think it would be smart to get rid of the West Coast Feeds for Cinemax, HBO, Showtime, Starz etc especially as they could all be covered by on demand channels - and it should free up enough QAM space for more HD.

For example, I would not sub to Cinemax now - but get rid of the West Coast Feeds and put on Cinemax HD and I certainly would sub. I am sure there are others in the same boat I am in.

As you need a digital stb for Cinemax anyway, most of the material could be seen On Demand.

 

[stevenl]

Well BHN in orlando has
Toon Disney
137,0,SOAP NET
358,0,SPEED ON DEMAND
364,0,SPORTSKOOL ON DEMAND
31,0,SUN SPORTS
and nick GAS
kids on demand

a large collection of free on-demand channels in orlando tampa needs to get on the ball and get some!

300 Central Florida on Demand FOD
301 Daily Edition on Demand FOD
302 My Account on Demand FOD
303 Cartoon Network on Demand FOD
304 CNN Showcase on Demand FOD
305 Cutting Edge on Demand FOD
306 Court TV on Demand FOD
307 LifeStyle on Demand FOD
308 A&E on Demand FOD
309 TV Guide Spot on Demand FOD
310 Kids on Demand FOD
311 BBC America on Demand FOD
312 AOL Music on Demand FOD
313 GAC on Demand FOD
314 TBS on Demand FOD
315 TNT on Demand FOD
316 Sportskool on Demand FOD
317 Golf on Demand FOD
318 Speed on Demand FOD
319 National Geographic on Demand FOD
320 Oxygen on Demand FOD
321 Free Movies on Demand FOD

i dont understand why tampa wouldnt its wierd how from system to system there can be such differnce.

http://cfl.mybrighthouse.com/products_and_pricing/digital_cable/programming/channels/default.aspx

thats the orlando channel lineup

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Well BHN in orlando has
a large collection of free on-demand channels in orlando tampa needs to get on the ball and get some!

300 Central Florida on Demand FOD
301 Daily Edition on Demand FOD
302 My Account on Demand FOD
303 Cartoon Network on Demand FOD
304 CNN Showcase on Demand FOD
305 Cutting Edge on Demand FOD
306 Court TV on Demand FOD
307 LifeStyle on Demand FOD
308 A&E on Demand FOD
309 TV Guide Spot on Demand FOD
310 Kids on Demand FOD
311 BBC America on Demand FOD
312 AOL Music on Demand FOD
313 GAC on Demand FOD
314 TBS on Demand FOD
315 TNT on Demand FOD
316 Sportskool on Demand FOD
317 Golf on Demand FOD
318 Speed on Demand FOD
319 National Geographic on Demand FOD
320 Oxygen on Demand FOD
321 Free Movies on Demand FOD

i dont understand why tampa wouldnt its wierd how from system to system there can be such differnce.

http://cfl.mybrighthouse.com/products_and_pricing/digital_cable/programming/channels/default.aspx

thats the orlando channel lineup

Check the channels unique to BHN - most are there.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Well BHN in orlando has
31,0,SUN SPORTS

That's also in the unique to BHN category.

 

[iceturkee]

fanatic, those bhn channels you list aren't central florida, are they? i notice fox sports atlantic, central and pacific......we don't have them here in central florida, although i wish we did. it isn't fsn florida but its better than nothing!

 

[stevenl]

I think thats tampas lineup he gave... and Oralndo does have Fox Soccer channel....

 

[iceturkee]

why does tampa have them and we don't........anybody? thanks.

 

[stevenl]

Well tampa and orlando are 2 seperate divisions apart of the "florida group" and each division is responsible for its "local" style programming to an extent. In oralndo they have been focused alot of spanish channels because of our HUGE spanish population I think it was near 15-20% or more of our customer base was spanish speaking so thats a large portion. In tampa its a big sports city with the bucs and what not, orlando has never been know as a sport area.. so the focus hasnt been on sports but rather old people and spanish people... so if you sports nuts want your sports then you have to keep bothering them to make yourself heard.

 

[HDTVFanAtic]

Actually, I would disagree and say that Orlando is a bigger Sports Town - or was at one point with the Magic.

Does anyone really look at the any of the Tampa Sport's teams seriously - or just lucky.

Regardless, you are correct that those channels are in Tampa - in the Sports Pack - where NFL should be if added.

As you stated Orlando Hispanic 12+ is estimated at 22.8% (and remember that Anglos are the minority in K-6 now in Florida, so that number is most likely low) and Tampa is 12.7% 12+ (same disclaimer), so 10% lower, thus I can believe more a focus on Spanish.

The other thing I would point out was up until several years ago, I would classify the Hispanic Population in Tampa as very assimilated - only in the last few years has it begun to really separate. Even though the Hispanics have a longer history in Tampa than Orlando, they were not as assimilated in Orlando - probably because of how long they had been a part of Tampa (and the fact that up until several years ago the population was only 5%).

And finally, remember those Fox Networks are College (I believe), not pro.

BHN threw the Sports Pack and on Deman with my HD Pack for some reason 3 or 4 years ago or I would never subscribed to either. I've punched past both tiers only a few times and never stopped.