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This stinks. But at least they are providing the component cables for free. However, the vast majority of customers don't really know much about HD and will probably just use the provided component and not bother buying HDMI.

Fine. If Dish wants to save $$ that is understandable. But Dish should charge thier cost for the HDMI's, and I'm willing to go out on a limb here and bet their cost is far less than $20. It would be nice if Dish would provide the customer with the HDMI option at the time of upgrade when speaking with CSR. A lot of people don't mind or are willing to tolerate extra costs at the time of upgrade and are willing to accept it then. But people HATE finding out that they have to pay extra money for Dish AFTER the big charges. It comes as a slap in the face and they feel like it is a hidden charge. True, component is provided, but there are a fair number of people who will resent having to go out and spend more $$ for cables they thought would be provided.
 
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RandallA said:
It's not like they always provided the HDMI cables. You better get your HDMI cables from Monoprice.com before a new installation. :)
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It's exactly the same for us at DNS. We got that information recently too. This a few months after we got the memo to hook every HD receiver up with HDMI because Dish was planning on infecting their streams with that "DRM" bullsh*t, and if you hooked up the receiver with component, they would sabotoge the picture so it only showed 480p. I guess that plan is either on hold (thank God) or there's gong to be an assload of angry customers.
 
DishSubLA said:
This stinks. But at least they are providing the component cables for free. However, the vast majority of customers don't really know much about HD and will probably just use the provided component and not bother buying HDMI.

Fine. If Dish wants to save $$ that is understandable. But Dish should charge thier cost for the HDMI's, and I'm willing to go out on a limb here and bet their cost is far less than $20. It would be nice if Dish would provide the customer with the HDMI option at the time of upgrade when speaking with CSR. A lot of people don't mind or are willing to tolerate extra costs at the time of upgrade and are willing to accept it then. But people HATE finding out that they have to pay extra money for Dish AFTER the big charges. It comes as a slap in the face and they feel like it is a hidden charge. True, component is provided, but there are a fair number of people who will resent having to go out and spend more $$ for cables they thought would be provided.
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Wrong, Component aren't provided either!!
The installer may have supplied them but Dish didn't put 'em in the factory box.

And what's wrong with componet anyway? I prefer it over HDMI. And I trust optical digital for DD.

fred
 
Primus said:
I guess my installer that was out on Saturday didn't get the memo. lol. I just had an additional 722 installed. The guy was pretty cool and fairly knowledgeable, although he did think they were going to send a shuttle up to fix the errant satellite recently launched.
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I would have told him.... Did you sign up for the installer position on the shuttle? They need a DishNetwork satellite installer to make a spacewalk to point the dishes on the satellite correctly.

LOL!
 
Fredinva said:
Wrong, Component aren't provided either!!
The installer may have supplied them but Dish didn't put 'em in the factory box.

And what's wrong with componet anyway? I prefer it over HDMI. And I trust optical digital for DD.

fred
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Well that depends and has changed over time. When I got my 942 (was shipped directly to me and then "installed" by a Dish tech) the box contained a component cable, and HDMI to DVI cable and a DVI to HDMI adapter, a DPP separator with little short leads on it and various other cables. I think it had a telephone cable and maybe a composite cable too. When I got my first 622 it had nothing in the box except for the receiver and the instruction manual (this was brought to my house by an installer but the box was sealed and he opened it in my living room). When I got my 722 it had everything that the 942 had (including the HDMI to DVI and adapter and the component cables). The 722 was also shipped directly to me from Dish. I don't know why some people say they are included and some say they are not (my guess is noone is lying they are just getting from different places).
 
When my ViP211 was installed 14 months ago, the installer used composite and argued that a free basic install didn't come with HDMI or component cables.

I called DISH and the lady who answered told me to call back after the install was completed and she'd have component cables sent to me at no charge. When I called back I got a guy who told me I wasd lucky to have gotten the free install and no cables would be coming. I hung up on him and phoned back and got another lady who gladly sent them out at no charge.

No one offered me the HDMI, though. I bought those on my own later.
 
The matter of whether or not component and/or HDMI cables are/not supplied was clearly stated on a retailer chat. The decision was a simple one. Composit cables are very common and very cost effective. That along with s-vhs cables would still be supplied. The modulated cable was dropped because un-trained installers and customers were using them, improperly, to connect receiver to dish. These cables were intended to send info to tv via modulator and were made from RG59. Bottom line. It was decided that the retailer would best understand which HD cable to use, per install and either supply that cable or suggest that the customer get what they perferred. There hasn't been a change to that decision, officially.
 
The 622's and 722's we've gotten from Dish have never had component or HDMI cables included. Until this recent $20/HDMI cable memo, we were required to charge $55 for Dish-supplied HDMI and $25 for Dish-supplied component. This is the RSP in Montana and Idaho.

Needless to say, I've made a decent profit from my monoprice cables. ;)
 
When I called to get HD installed they told me it came with an HDMI cable, but when the installer showed up, guess what? No HDMI cable. He said he could hook it up component so I told him to go ahead. So he heads back out to the truck to get the cables and comes back in to say he doesn't have component cables but he has an A/V belt and can hook it up that way. I said that was fine because I hook audio to the stereo using an optical cable anyway. So he hooks it up--to an A/V connection on the TV. I tell him just to hook it up to the component jacks and he said he can't because "the colors aren't the same." I tried to explain to him the colors are irrelevant but he insisted that "A/V cables will melt if you use them as component cables." He then tells me as he's checking the channels that the HD channels ARE in HD via an A/V hookup. I just asked him if all the channels are coming in correctly and after he said yes, I threw his dumb arse out and rewired it!
 
Fredinva said:
Wrong, Component aren't provided either!!
The installer may have supplied them but Dish didn't put 'em in the factory box.

And what's wrong with componet anyway? I prefer it over HDMI. And I trust optical digital for DD.

fred
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Dish company installers happily provided both HDMI cables that I recall were in the box, for the 2 722's I leased. They were also there to install for 129. This was in late January.

A few weeks later a different Dish company installer apologized saying that he would have provided 2 HDMI's for my aunt's 2 new 722's, as he usually does provide HDMI's for HD install, but that they, the company, ran out (obviously not restocking them as this was about 3 weeks ago), and so he cheerfully provided component.

I didn't mean to say that absolutely HDMI was superior in every way. I am well aware that it is all subjective. There are many who prefer the picture using component analog. However, many other prefer HDMI for its picture and sound. For me and the comparison I have done on my HDTV, I prefer the HDMI a bit more for video and a lot more for audio. Everyone doesn't have to prefer a Sony XBR. To each his own enjoyment.
 
Just upgraded my old 811 to a 211 this past week, and was surprised to still see an HDMI cable in the box (as well as Component and Composite cables for that matter)
 

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