Can't get 1080p on my 1080p set. What gives?

[theoak]

A lot of HDTVs have a USB port. My LG does anyway. The main purpose being you could look at pictures (JPEGs) on your TV.

Anyway ... assuming an update is available, you could put the update on a USB drive, and stick it in your TVs USB port accordingly. The TV would then grab the file and perform the update. If an update is available, I imagine it would include instructions. The file might have to have a certain name, or be in a certain directory for example. Again, the instructions should detail this.

 

[charlesrshell]

A lot of HDTVs have a USB port. My LG does anyway. The main purpose being you could look at pictures (JPEGs) on your TV.

Anyway ... assuming an update is available, you could put the update on a USB drive, and stick it in your TVs USB port accordingly. The TV would then grab the file and perform the update. If an update is available, I imagine it would include instructions. The file might have to have a certain name, or be in a certain directory for example. Again, the instructions should detail this.

OK, thanks again. I will try to call Sony tomorrow.

 

[theoak]

I bought my XBR2 set 1 year ago. Sony told me it's 1080p 60fps, so I deleted ch. 501 from my ch. list. I don't fault Sony at all. Dish should be using software that will work with 1080p 60fps.
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You could be right ...

Other than ...

1080p60 will result in a file around 2.5 times larger than 1080p24.

Dish could probably put two 1080p24 movies on your DVR versus one 1080p60.

So your point could be, if no one can watch 1080p24 what difference does it make?

As of a year ago, the penetration of HDTV in the US was still pretty low.

It could be that 1080p24 started getting added to TVs about a year ago as the norm.

Yes, Dish will lose some of the HDTV early adopters, but by virtue of the low HDTV penetration, Dish should be largely okay.

Again, with 1080p24, they can add probably double the movies and hence gain double the income ...

Makes sense to me.

(Yes, if you were an early adopter, this would suck ... but you have also had the privilege of watching HD the past few years too ... )

 

[8bitbytes]

Early adopters could take a look at HDFury to interface between new digital sources and their older digital/analog displays.

 

[primetimeguy]

You could be right ...

Other than ...

1080p60 will result in a file around 2.5 times larger than 1080p24.

Dish could probably put two 1080p24 movies on your DVR versus one 1080p60.

So your point could be, if no one can watch 1080p24 what difference does it make?

As of a year ago, the penetration of HDTV in the US was still pretty low.

It could be that 1080p24 started getting added to TVs about a year ago as the norm.

Yes, Dish will lose some of the HDTV early adopters, but by virtue of the low HDTV penetration, Dish should be largely okay.

Again, with 1080p24, they can add probably double the movies and hence gain double the income ...

Makes sense to me.

(Yes, if you were an early adopter, this would suck ... but you have also had the privilege of watching HD the past few years too ... )

There are no movies that are 1080p60 so that wouldn't be possible. But storing it has 1080p24 and being able to output at 1080p60 would solve some problems. But you can just output it at 1080i, like now, with no resolution loss. That is the point people don't get. If you don't have a 120hz TV, 24p does you no good. 1080i is just as good as 1080p assuming interlace/de-interlace is done correctly.

 

[theoak]

There are no movies that are 1080p60 so that wouldn't be possible. But storing it has 1080p24 and being able to output at 1080p60 would solve some problems. But you can just output it at 1080i, like now, with no resolution loss. That is the point people don't get. If you don't have a 120hz TV, 24p does you no good. 1080i is just as good as 1080p assuming interlace/de-interlace is done correctly.

By storing it as 1080p24 and outputting it as 1080p60 is going to involve some conversion obviously (3:2 and then doubling, or any other type of algorithm). The film is only going to be as good as the conversion (combined with the original 1080p24 source). Same deal with storing it as 1080p24 and sending a 1080i60 signal.

To me, the main advantage to if your TV can handle a 1080p24 signal is that the conversion of that signal to the TVs native format is then left to your TV. Maybe you have a 120Hz TV, maybe your TV can only do 1080p60, but now your TV and all the wiz-bang settings that it has is doing the conversion versus the DVR. One would think the TV would do a better job than Dish's DVR.

 

[primetimeguy]

Once would think the TV would do a better job than Dish's DVR.

Thinking is one thing, what really happens is another. No matter which one does the scaling, even if there was a difference, most people here could not tell the difference. But tell them there TV is not receiving 1080p and now they are all upset.


There are far more people here upset about not seeing 1080p24 on there TV than those that understand the benefits or could see any difference.

 

[Smith P.]

Seems to me it's like in a store you can't buy Willy Wonka chocolate Bar using CC, only for cash.
Yeah, you can't tell difference without bite it.

 

[gadgtfreek]

You could be right ...

Other than ...

1080p60 will result in a file around 2.5 times larger than 1080p24.

Dish could probably put two 1080p24 movies on your DVR versus one 1080p60.

So your point could be, if no one can watch 1080p24 what difference does it make?

As of a year ago, the penetration of HDTV in the US was still pretty low.

It could be that 1080p24 started getting added to TVs about a year ago as the norm.

Yes, Dish will lose some of the HDTV early adopters, but by virtue of the low HDTV penetration, Dish should be largely okay.

Again, with 1080p24, they can add probably double the movies and hence gain double the income ...

Makes sense to me.

(Yes, if you were an early adopter, this would suck ... but you have also had the privilege of watching HD the past few years too ... )

Well said. D* forums are having the same issue. People who own a tv that wont display 24fps or wont accept it(mine accepts but performs the pulldown) are blaming Dish/D*. Its bull, be mad at your tv manufacturer, like Sony, for skimping. Or, if you bought one recently, be mad at yourself for not researching.

 

[charlesrshell]

Well said. D* forums are having the same issue. People who own a tv that wont display 24fps or wont accept it(mine accepts but performs the pulldown) are blaming Dish/D*. Its bull, be mad at your tv manufacturer, like Sony, for skimping. Or, if you bought one recently, be mad at yourself for not researching.

Can you help with a suggestion for a TV that is capable with Dish and Direct? We may be shopping soon for our bedroom. I had in mind a 46 inch LCD 1080p with 120Hz. But, now it appears I need to make sure it has the 24fps and anything else that might be needed too. Sorry, I am a little behind if any have been mentioned. I have had a busy summer and hardly have been reading the forums. My son's TV is a Sony 40 inch LCD 1080p KDL-40V2500. It had the not capable thing for I Am Legend. It is connected with HDMI from the 722 direct to the TV. The manual doesn't say what the fps is. I called Sony and they said it is 60fps and the TV's firmware cannot be upgraded. A PS3 is connected by HDMI too and when my son plays a BlueRay disc and the TV remote info button is selected, 1080p is displayed on the TV screen. The picture is awesome. I favor Sony and Panasonic TVs but would get anything else if I have too. Thanks for everyones help.

 

[8bitbytes]

Can you help with a suggestion for a TV that is capable with Dish and Direct? We may be shopping soon for our bedroom. I had in mind a 46 inch LCD 1080p with 120Hz. But, now it appears I need to make sure it has the 24fps and anything else that might be needed too. Sorry, I am a little behind if any have been mentioned. I have had a busy summer and hardly have been reading the forums. My son's TV is a Sony 40 inch LCD 1080p KDL-40V2500. It had the not capable thing for I Am Legend. It is connected with HDMI from the 722 direct to the TV. The manual doesn't say what the fps is. I called Sony and they said it is 60fps and the TV's firmware cannot be upgraded. A PS3 is connected by HDMI too and when my son plays a BlueRay disc and the TV remote info button is selected, 1080p is displayed on the TV screen. The picture is awesome. I favor Sony and Panasonic TVs but would get anything else if I have too. Thanks for everyones help.

Take a look at the list in this AVSForum post.

Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate - AVS Forum

Notice also that many of the displays that support 1080p/24 at 120hz do so only with motion enhancement TURNED OFF. I bet someone here is having the 1080p problem simply because they have not turned off their enhanced features.

 

[gadgtfreek]

2008 panasonic plasma is what I have, 85u and it handles it fine.

LN46A750 Samsung is nice $2300

LN46A650 is good too $2100

The lcd's are more money and smaller than the plasma, 46" vs 50", but they actuall display 24fps and will not have the potential judder of a set like mine that just accepts it and converts it.

 

[charlesrshell]

Take a look at the list in this AVSForum post.

Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate - AVS Forum

Notice also that many of the displays that support 1080p/24 at 120hz do so only with motion enhancement TURNED OFF. I bet someone here is having the 1080p problem simply because they have not turned off their enhanced features.

OK, thanks very much 8bitbytes. Good info

 

[gadgtfreek]

Take a look at the list in this AVSForum post.

Displays that support 1080p/24 signal at multiplies of the original frame rate - AVS Forum

Notice also that many of the displays that support 1080p/24 at 120hz do so only with motion enhancement TURNED OFF. I bet someone here is having the 1080p problem simply because they have not turned off their enhanced features.

Only problem with that list is it does not show tv's that will simply accept 24fps.

 

[charlesrshell]

2008 panasonic plasma is what I have, 85u and it handles it fine.

LN46A750 Samsung is nice $2300

LN46A650 is good too $2100

The lcd's are more money and smaller than the plasma, 46" vs 50", but they actuall display 24fps and will not have the potential judder of a set like mine that just accepts it and converts it.

Thanks elwaylite

 

[gadgtfreek]

Thanks elwaylite

Using the list on avs, you can find a good tv, make sure you read reviews on them. If the sets on the avs list are too pricey, you can find sets like mine that has 24fps "support" and converts it to 60hz.

 

[Ramen]

Samsung HL-S6187W DLP failed the test, for what it's worth. Bought it in Nov of 2006, so no surprise there I guess. Doesn't look like Samsung offers any option to update its firmware... assuming that would even do anything.

 

[tman1991]

Samsung HL-S6187W DLP failed the test, for what it's worth. Bought it in Nov of 2006, so no surprise there I guess. Doesn't look like Samsung offers any option to update its firmware... assuming that would even do anything.

my HL-S7178W doesnt work either. Got it in Aug of 06.

 

[cruzmisl]

I have a JVC HD61FH97 that is 1080P. I have used a Toshiba HDXA2 HD DVD at 1080/24 with no issues and I get the incompatability error too. Pretty strange as my TV accepts pretty much everything, 480i/p, 720p/1080i/1080p......

Any suggestions? Using straight HDMI to the TV.

 

[Smith P.]

"Any suggestions? "
Switch to "Post EDID.." thread and upload your TV data.