What is the point of dual tuner boxes now?

[navychop]

I certainly record two shows at once on both my ViP722s on occasion. Dual tuners? Yep. Dual outputs? Not much interest to me.

But I'm certainly not going to give up a ViP722 for a ViP612, not after what I've read here. Might retire my 508, though.

 

[TheKrell]

Maybe if my kids ever get HD TVs I might get rid of the the 625, but for now, spending $80 to enable a EHD on each box, plus spend about $150 for two EHDs to save $36 a year doesn't make any sense to me. Not to mention $119 for two 211ks.

So check my math.

The $40 DVR enabling fee for the 211's is per account. You can have many more than just two of them, and it's still only a $40 one-time fee.

Another thing to contemplate wrt HD receivers is they have a digital output (HDMI) which can feed many el cheapo computer monitors via their DVI interface. You can't (in general) do that with an SD receiver.

 

[Tom_P]

but for now, spending $80 to enable a EHD on each box

Nope, to my understanding is $40 for the account, not for each receiver.

Also do you actually need "huge" EHD? Wait for a good deal...


I give you that the spending is way too much, I had 1-622 3-211Ks and a 510, AEP so no DVR fee.

The 510 is gone, and already using Netlix, AEP is next on line for AT-250....no premiums....

 

[davepo]

Claude, I have a leased 622 as my main receiver......should I be charged a lease fee ?

My bill went up $17. I have (2) 211ks with EHD (one time fee of 39.99, paid once).

Top 250, Platinum HD, HBO and Showtime, Locals.

My bill gets paid on the 15th. On the 14th, my programming is going to lose the premiums and Platinum HD, and if I have any leg to stand on, I'll lose the lease fee.

I have a 750G hard drive with 30+ movies on it and it's not half full. It'll take me 3 months to watch them all.

I'd buy a 222k right now if they were EHD enabled. Losing the lease fee and the dvr fee (which only applies to the 622) would save me $13 a month.

Other info....

I took the 622 tv2 to my sons room so he could have dvr capability.

Coax out on the 211ks (I set one to ch 3, the other to ch 4) and combined them together with an old ch 4 signal trap that I hadn't used in years. Those go to all the rooms we don't have a receiver. No interference on either one. I may try to combine that signal with TV1 coax out on channel 60. That would give 3 dvr channels to every room without a receiver. The IR to UHF pro that Claude sells is a deal at $29, and they work great. I can workout on the elliptical in the basement and watch the 211k in the den.

 

[Bob Haller]

Imagine replacing 722s for 211s or other pricey changes, just to see change pricing schemes again in Q2 repealing most of these changes, and just raising overall rates ..............

hold onto your 722s just in case

 

[STL]

True. I suppose I have no one to blame but myself, and I should know better. Oh well, my worst case scenario would be to buy two 211k's and have the 222k sitting on a shelf collecting dust.

This isn't directed to you (but it might apply). I personally think a fair number of people have more rec'rs then they really need, and that means that -- especially with the new price changes -- they are wasting a lot of money. It seems many people think they need a separate rec'r for each TV, when at most what they really need is an output for each person in their household. And depending on the TVs and the person some of those outputs might only need to be SD. I think most typical families could probably be content with no more than just two rec'rs (with probably with just one being a Duo). I know my three person family (that is soon to be four) gets by just fine with a single Duo 722 that is outputting to three HDTVs as well as two SDTVs. I have an IR distribution system for controlling the 722 in various rooms, but the same could be accomplished with a few of Dish's RF remotes. So you might have to spend a few $$ on some equipment and long cables, but at these new lease prices you'll be able to make up the $ outlay within a few months.

 

[aquaman67]

I didn't know the enabling fee was per account. I thought it was per receiver.

So it will only take 11.8 years to break even.

 

[Bob Haller]

Well I have too many receivers. But at 5 bucks each per 625 it really didnt matter. had AEP no DVR fee

As a interim step today I downgraded to top 250 had little interest in premiums. Cancelled one 625 too.

Told rep this was interim step till FIOS install. He offered me 10 bucks a month off and a couple free premiums for 3 months with one year commitment.

NOT INTERESTED! told him my next call would be cancel...... he said after cancel there will be a better offer.. I said too late, I will have FIOS.

So with no commitment I got 10 bucks off a month for a year and some free premiums for 3 months........

I caved my bill should be just over 80 bucks a month. Far cheaper than before fee increase.

 

[sbsi]

Still cheaper than Direct TV.

I did consider switching back to Cable which offers me a one year deal for $30-40 bucks a month and then, I will be paying $60 something afterwards. I will be getting 4 tvs and a box to get Digital channels starring from 100+. I don't need the box on the 2nd-4th TV, 1 box is enough and included in the package.

I am getting the one year discount first. With Dish, no discount...just higher fees.

If Dish is raising the receiver prices, Direct TV will be doing the same thing.

Direct TV cost way way more than the two. I estimated about $75-78 dollars per month.

 

[damjr]

The only other way where a dual tunner is still cheaper is if you want dvr on TV's 3& 4 & 5.......etc.

The fee on a dual DVR is $17
While the fee on a solo DVR is $10

So to have DVR on the 3-4 TV's your cost would be $20 for solo's and $17 for dual.

 

[ramimac]

I spoke with dish about this and they said every one charges for each tuner and they are rolling all fees into one.

This is the part I do not get. I only pay $5 for each of my HR21's with D*. That is $2.5 per tuner.

If i were still with E* i would own 622's or 722's because of owning them before the 612 came out and it would cost me $17 each. That is $12 more for box hookups that D*. This accounts for the first one free on each serverce.

Even if it was 2 612's it would be $10 each. That is $5 more than D*.

How is that the same as everyone else is doing.

I do not understand E* math.

---Just to defend D* is less for me that E* ---
You may say the channel pacages cost more with D*. but with the channels we wanted we could go with a lower package with D* due to the fact E* does not include most of the Kids Programming in anything less that the 250 pack. that is $3 more that my Chaice extra pack with D*. I think it was a larger diffrence when I moved.

I had contemplated lately to maybe switch back to E* after my contract had expired. but now that these equiment fees have changed. I do not think so.

 

[STL]

There is plenty of kids programming in lower (than 250) E* packages; OTA PBS stations alone offer a lot of kids programming (and at least theirs is somewhat educational). I mean, how much TV do you really want your kids watching anyhow?

That said, it is really only the cheaper HD-only packages that E* offers that makes them better than D* -- they are the reason I switched!

 

[ramimac]

My kids watch alot of Bomerang. that is only at the 250 package. and i beleive the nick jr channel is only on 250 or higher that carries wubbzy. I think my 4 year old would kill us without that

I unfortunately have to compete with my Parents programming where my kids spend alot of there time for baby sitting.

My kids are also into alot of other things such as Taekwondo, we go bowling alot, camping and 4 wheeling.

But my point is the that is what everone else is doing statment that I was refering to, with regards to Equipment. That statment is just not true. It may be for cable companies.

Programming packages will always be in flux with price and close to one another.

If D* gets any ideas from E* about this i will probably get rid of pay TV all together.

 

[STL]

But my point is the that is what everone else is doing statment that I was refering to, with regards to Equipment. That statment is just not true. It may be for cable companies.

Oh, I agree that E*'s new fees are total BS and are not anywhere close to in line with D* -- heck E* is now more expensive than some cable companies (which is pathetic). I only have one Duo 722 rec'r so I'm no affected by the equipment price hike. My 722 is really wired too; its HD output connected to three HDTVs while its SD output is connected to all my televisions (two SD plus the three HD).

Programming packages will always be in flux with price and close to one another.

That is true, except for the fact E* offers their HD-only packages (which are notably cheaper).

 

[Mr Tony]

My kids watch alot of Bomerang. that is only at the 250 package. and i beleive the nick jr channel is only on 250 or higher that carries wubbzy. I think my 4 year old would kill us without that

Boomerang is in the Family pack
so is Nick, Nick West and Nick Toons

its a basic package but an option
Family Channels, Family TV Programming - DishFAMILY Package

 

[harshness]

This is the part I do not get. I only pay $5 for each of my HR21's with D*. That is $2.5 per tuner.

Don't confused tuners and TV's served with unique programming.

D*'s pricing model used to bury most of the costs in the programming fees and to a large extent, it still does (the creeping DVR fee aside, it makes you wonder about the TiVo fee differential, doesn't it?).

DISH is pulling a calculated stunt in an effort to point a finger at the competition and it may or may not pay off. For now, they can say that they didn't raise their programming rates.

 

[navychop]

Has D* published their price increases yet?

 

[ramimac]

Don't confused tuners and TV's served with unique programming.

D*'s pricing model used to bury most of the costs in the programming fees and to a large extent, it still does (the creeping DVR fee aside, it makes you wonder about the TiVo fee differential, doesn't it?).

DISH is pulling a calculated stunt in an effort to point a finger at the competition and it may or may not pay off. For now, they can say that they didn't raise their programming rates.

Yep. I did say Tuner. I know most do know know the diffrence. i would never use a tv2 out for another tv due to the fact that I would rather not run cables from one tv location to another. maybe with a backfeed but not a dedicated cable.

Boomerang is in the Family pack
so is Nick, Nick West and Nick Toons

its a basic package but an option
Family Channels, Family TV Programming - DishFAMILY Package

Yep know about that as well. but the part i don't agree with is that should be the base package they should all build off of. so that you can get the next tier up and have all the family channels. to me it is something dumb that both companies do.

unfortunately neither family package has the other channels my wife and i watch. kids were just an example.

I know I look like with my post count and such that i am not ver versed on things, but i am more of a reader than a poster.

Except for my D* dish I did all my installs cable pulls when I had my dish500.

I am one of those well reaserched non posting type users.

Electronics nut to the extreme. unfortunatly budgets do not alow purchases to fit all my high end tastes

 

[Bob Haller]

how many who have at least one DVR receiver like to watch a regular receiver without DVR?

 

[mrschwarz]

Wouldn't have a non-DVR. When I travel, I watch my DVR via Slingbox.