RF output for TV2 compatibility (VIP622)

[jdr01930]

I have an older TV connected to the TV2 RF output on my VIP622.
That TV is dieing, so I'm looking at some new small LCD TV's.

Will new TV's with a coax input be compatible? That is, can I still tune them to the "old fashioned" UHF channel 73 to the RF/Coax signal from my VIP622?

Since the change over to the new digital tuners for TV's, I don't know if the the new TV's still support the older signals that I believe the dish RF output is using.

This is the TV I'm considering:

DX-26L150A11 - BestBuy

I THINK I need a tv with a NTSC tuner, but an concerned that new TV's have nothing but ATSC tuners now?????

The specs for the TV above don't say which type it is.

Thanks!

 

[harshness]

Perhaps not channel 73, but a lower channel.

Your link is busticated.

 

[tnsprin]

I have an older TV connected to the TV2 RF output on my VIP622.
That TV is dieing, so I'm looking at some new small LCD TV's.

Will new TV's with a coax input be compatible? That is, can I still tune them to the "old fashioned" UHF channel 73 to the RF/Coax signal from my VIP622?

Since the change over to the new digital tuners for TV's, I don't know if the the new TV's still support the older signals that I believe the dish RF output is using.

This is the TV I'm considering:

Dynex® - 26" Class / 720p / 60Hz / LCD HDTV - DX-26L150A11

I THINK I need a tv with a NTSC tuner, but an concerned that new TV's have nothing but ATSC tuners now?????

The specs for the TV above don't say which type it is.

Thanks!

Most TV's still include NTSC tuners. However some do not. So Obviously you need to check each model you are interested in. If I found the right DYNEX model on their site that doc says it has a NTSC/ATSC tuner (I sugest you check their site yourself as I could not get the bestbuy site to display the set at all)

However remember that only tuner 1 HDMI and Component outputs are HD. All the other outputs including both tuner 1 and 2 output via coax are SD only.

 

[harshness]

As always, make sure you check the TV's SD performance before you buy. Some do a pretty horrible job of upconverting while others do an admirable job.

 

[jdr01930]

Your link is busticated.

Oops! thought i fixed it, then it broke - weird. working on it...

It's a 26" Dynex DX-26L150A11 from Best Buy

Maybe this will work:

DX-26L150A11 - BestBuy

 

[harshness]

Oops! Fixed

Not fixed.

Note that if you preview the message, you can test the link in the preview.

Try this one: DX-26L150A11 - BestBuy

Here's a link to the manual from Dynex's support site: http://www.dynexproducts.com/cms/documents/DX-26L150A11_10-0346_WEB_ENG_V3_Final lr.pdf

As I suspected, it only goes to UHF 69 (page 29).

 

[jdr01930]

Thanks Harshness - I just copied your link into my prior posts to fix.
Not sure why I'm having so much trouble with that - guess I need more coffee.

I can't find any info on that set that specifically confirms it has NTSC tuner so maybe I'll choose something else - or - when I'm actually in the store, is there anything I can check to confirm tuner type if I got the set in front of me (other than hooking it up to my VIP622, as I don't think I can bring that in with me - lol.)

 

[harshness]

See post #6.

If you can, it is usually best to go to the manufacturer's website as opposed to that of BB. Regrettably, BB (and many other retailers) don't make that easy.

 

[jdr01930]

Harshness - I just noted the the second part of the post and manual/website you linked.

Since it says UHF 14 - 69, that means does indeed support NTSC, so all I'd have to do is switch my TV2 out config to a channel lower that 69, right? (edit - WRONG!)
Or does the VIP622 not let me go into those lower channels (checking that right now...)

Edit - confirmed VIP622 lowest supported channel is 73.
So - I need NTSC tuner that goes up to the higher channels.

 

[MrDogDad]

I think that ANY TV with a tuner will have the capacity for NTSC. There are millions of homes that are connected to cable systems that currently output NTSC, many don't even use converter boxes. Also some low powered stations still haven't converted yet. Most people who buy TVs have no idea what ATSC or NTSC is, they just want their TV to work.

 

[KAB]

Edit - confirmed VIP622 lowest supported channel is 73.
So - I need NTSC tuner that goes up to the higher channels.

73 lowest in CABLE mode, not UHF. I believe factory default is 63.

 

[MrDogDad]

Harshness - I just noted the the second part of the post and manual/website you linked.

Since it says UHF 14 - 69, that means does indeed support NTSC, so all I'd have to do is switch my TV2 out config to a channel lower that 69, right? (edit - WRONG!)
Or does the VIP622 not let me go into those lower channels (checking that right now...)

Edit - confirmed VIP622 lowest supported channel is 73.
So - I need NTSC tuner that goes up to the higher channels.

My 622 is currently set to Channel 25. Are you set for Air or cable channels?

 

[harshness]

Edit - confirmed VIP622 lowest supported channel is 73.

You're having a brain disconnect.

Your ViP622 is set for "cable" mode as opposed to "air". In "air" mode, the ViP622 will go down to UHF channel 21. Lower frequencies usually work best.

 

[jdr01930]

As always, make sure you check the TV's SD performance before you buy. Some do a pretty horrible job of upconverting while others do an admirable job.

Oh yeah - forgot about that!
Any specific brands/models in the +/- 26" range that do well with this well? (this is probably a question for another topic - time to start googling!)

 

[harshness]

Oh yeah - forgot about that!
Any specific brands/models in the +/- 26" range that do well with this well? (this is probably a question for another topic - time to start googling!)

Specifications won't tell you what you need to know. You need to find a resource that will let you test your candidates with suitable material.

Reviews can be helpful, but you need to be very specific about seeking reviews of SD performance.

 

[KAB]

Check the AVS Forums.

 

[jdr01930]

"Are you set for Air or cable channels?"

Was set for cable - thanks. Didn't know about that differentiation.

Any yes, I seem to be having multiple brain disconnects this morning.
I think I will step away from the computer for little bit.

 

[caam1]

All TVs with a built-in tuner will tune both NTSC and ATSC channels 2-69. Most will also tune cable channels 2-125. Just make sure both the sat receiver and the TV are both set to "air" or "cable".

 

[tnsprin]

All TVs with a built-in tuner will tune both NTSC and ATSC channels 2-69. Most will also tune cable channels 2-125. Just make sure both the sat receiver and the TV are both set to "air" or "cable".

Be careful with that statement about "All Tvs with a built-in tuner will..." there are already some out their that will only tune ATSC. True most still do NTSC. And of course all are now rquired to tune ATSC over the channels still being broadcast, which incidentally no longer goes to 69 but only to 51. Do you remember when UHF tuners had to tune OTA from 14 to 83?

 

[harshness]

Be careful with that statement about "All Tvs with a built-in tuner will..." there are already some out their that will only tune ATSC.

Can you share an example with us to support your claim?

Having the additional frequencies available could be very useful for continued use of RF modulators even if the OTA frequencies have been turned over to other uses.