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It's being reported that the Dodgers are gonna pick up 96% of the Crawford/Gonzalez/Beckett contracts. How the Sox are getting anything back in return, let alone good prospects, blows my mind! :eek:

It must have gotten to the point where Beckett became a huge headache and just wanted to get rid of him. Thats what I think personally. It probably got to the point where they would have traded Beckett for a bucket of baseballs!!
 
I think that Gonzalez & Crawford will work out for the Dodgers,just let Crawford get the surgery he needs & he should be ready for next season. The Dodgers can just designate Beckett for assignment to the minor leagues & then most likely release him after the season is over.
 
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I think that Gonzalez & Crawford will work out for the Dodgers,just let Crawford get the surgery he needs & he should be ready for next season. The Dodgers can just designate Beckett for assignment to the minor leagues & then most likely release him after the season is over.

That is what I was thinking. The dodgers would have no problem eating Becketts contract.

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The Dodgers taking up all that salary just shows what a difference ownership makes.

Remember, they were plagued a year ago by McCourt and bankruptcy.
 
I've read that the Dodgers will be getting a new, mega TV contract. If this is the level of spending that a team in a large TV DMA will be spending in the future, then the remaining question is, why should anyone even bother to operate a franchise in Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Milwaukee or Minnesota?
 
If the Red Sox win their remaining 38 games, they'll wind up with 96 wins, which should be enough to make the playoffs.
 
If the Red Sox win their remaining 38 games, they'll wind up with 96 wins, which should be enough to make the playoffs.

Maybe they can make like the '84 Tigers and go 35-5. That should get them a wild card!
 
Just when I was wondering if this would be the best way for the Dodgers to spend their money, I read this article....

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles...d/1965/is-dodgers-trade-a-reach-for-the-stars
They are doing this now because they want to win now and in the future as well. Plus they get the best first baseman in baseball and when Crawford gets healthy, they will have the best outfield in baseball.

I do agree with the general point of the article. There is a limit and overspending more often than not does not get the results you want. Most teams that contend do so on a mix of average to above average players, not a bunch of superstars. A bunch of superstars tends to lead to bad chemistry.
 
I don't know who is trying to outdo whom here in So Cal but all of a sudden the Angels and Dodgers are becoming teams like the Yankees who seemingly spend like there is no tomorrow. (An article in Yahoo! today calls the Dodgers "The NL team you love to hate!"). And I'd watch out for the Padres beginning next season. The O'Malley Group has deep pockets and is looking to really bring the Padres back to life.
 
24 hours ago I wasn't exactly a big fan of Ben Cherington. Now I think he should be indicted for armed robbery!
 
24 hours ago I wasn't exactly a big fan of Ben Cherington. Now I think he should be indicted for armed robbery!

Considering the funk this team is in, and the money that will be saved, I'm keeping an open mind for now. I like Gonzalez, but I don't think he's a "big market" guy and likes the attention that goes with it. Crawford was never wanted by anyone remaining in Boston. Beckett's best Boston days are behind him.

At this point, I say give Cherington a shot to build a team....
 
24 hours ago I wasn't exactly a big fan of Ben Cherington. Now I think he should be indicted for armed robbery!

Respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree. If that was the only way to get Beckett out of Boston, I say so be it. I mean its obvious to non Red Sox fans that he was a problem in the clubhouse. Boston had to cut him loose no matter what. I feel bad for Crawford because he got injured and maybe he would have gotten himself into a groove in Boston. You dont know. I have heard that Gonzo didnt have the stomach to play on the east coast or the big market like LA. Its too bad because I think hes pretty good.

Considering the funk this team is in, and the money that will be saved, I'm keeping an open mind for now. I like Gonzalez, but I don't think he's a "big market" guy and likes the attention that goes with it. Crawford was never wanted by anyone remaining in Boston. Beckett's best Boston days are behind him.

At this point, I say give Cherington a shot to build a team....

Cherington has a tough job ahead of him following Theo Epstein. I wonder what the Red Sox plan is. Do they build from within or go after the big price free agents at the end of the year?
 
Considering the funk this team is in, and the money that will be saved, I'm keeping an open mind for now. I like Gonzalez, but I don't think he's a "big market" guy and likes the attention that goes with it. Crawford was never wanted by anyone remaining in Boston. Beckett's best Boston days are behind him.

At this point, I say give Cherington a shot to build a team....


After pulling this off, I tend to agree with you.
 
Respect your opinion but I respectfully disagree. If that was the only way to get Beckett out of Boston, I say so be it. I mean its obvious to non Red Sox fans that he was a problem in the clubhouse. Boston had to cut him loose no matter what. I feel bad for Crawford because he got injured and maybe he would have gotten himself into a groove in Boston. You dont know. I have heard that Gonzo didnt have the stomach to play on the east coast or the big market like LA. Its too bad because I think hes pretty good.



I'm confused, you don't actually think I'm against this deal, do you? :confused:


Cherington has a tough job ahead of him following Theo Epstein.

and an even tougher job cleaning up his mess.


I wonder what the Red Sox plan is. Do they build from within or go after the big price free agents at the end of the year?

I would rather them be non-contenders for two years, then go down this road again. I have three words: develop, develop and D-E-V-E-L-O-P!!
 
I still don't know the exact mechanics of the salary cap, but the dribs and drabs I have heard during the year were, first, that if the Red Sox are over some threshold for this year, then will get zonked with something like a 40% penalty on their overage for the next two years and then that percentage would recede over the next two years, and that was why they shied away from some affordable filler deals earlier this year when Oswalt was thought to still be available, as they wanted to be able to squeeze him in without triggering an additional tens of millions of dollars worth of penalties. Then, it was later reported that the Red Sox somehow had gone over the penalty level anyway, but if the final calculation is based on total dollars actually paid out over the year, then jettisoning these three high salaried players plus Punto when they are owed maybe $15 million between them for the remainder of the season just might let the Red Sox escape the luxury tax penalty they seem to be facing.

The Dodgers now believes, probably correctly, that they are in a market situation like that of the Red Sox and Yankees, where their large revenue is downwardly inelastic enough that they can give out 6 or 7 year mega-contracts because even when things fare poorly, as they did for the Red Sox last season, their revenue will only drop slightly. I think Philadelphia has deluded itself into thinking it is in that class. Whether the California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels are now in a revenue situation that enables them to commit long run, as they have with Pujols, remains to be seen. In the early 1980s, Gene Autry tried to replicate the Yankee's late 1970s success by buying up four former MVPs, but the economics didn't work for him. Maybe poor player choices contributed to the lack of success, and maybe the fact that the television income was a smaller share of total revenue than it is now makes today different than yesterday, but I still don't think the Angels are as strong a "brand" as the Dodgers are and so I still fear that California will choke on the out years of its Pujols contract, whereas the Dodgers could digest such a contract even if the a player's production declined significantly in the future.

I'm not convinced that the Dodgers are overpaying for those players, at least from a salary-only standpoint. Gonzalez's production in his first two seasons with the Red Sox was worth $21 million a year or more. To me, Crawford is, when healthy, a $15 million a year ball player with a $20 million a year contract, so maybe the under-over on how much he stands to be overpaid over the remainder of his career is $25 million. Then you have Beckett. His situation is an unfavorable, $35 million gamble. His arm seems at least temporarily intact and his mechanics seem OK, even though they wind up delivering too many pitches to the wrong spots, so there is a gambler's chance he will rise again or that he will show enough value to get traded for a double A prospect if the Dodgers pay his salary. So maybe the Dodgers are paying $50 million more all together than they would have to pay if there were a Rotisserie or Strat-o-Matic (my generation) league store where you could choose the players for your team that had the best value for the prices, but there isn't. Now, factor in that, 1) the Dodgers are in a pennant race and winning it is worth more than $50 million, 2) Gonzalez is more valuable to the Dodgers as the new "face" of the Dodgers (Sandy who?) than he ever could be to the Red Sox, and, 3) new ownership only gets one chance to make a first impression, and yeah, that adds up to enough to make it a pretty good business decision in a financial sense.
 
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Dodgers are also getting $12 mill from Boston.

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Right, which is roughly 5% of the more than a quarter of a billion the Dodgers are now on the hook for. I don't much about the prospects the Sox are getting in return, but from what I hear they're anywhere from "reasonable" to "good" MLB prospects.

I'm literally still in a state of shock that this deal happened, and I mean that in a good way.
 
Right, which is roughly 5% of the more than a quarter of a billion the Dodgers are now on the hook for. I don't much about the prospects the Sox are getting in return, but from what I hear they're anywhere from "reasonable" to "good" MLB prospects.

I'm literally still in a state of shock that this deal happened, and I mean that in a good way.
Yep, $12M out of $272M owed. Not too shabby.

From boston.com:

According to players at Fenway Park, Gonzalez, Beckett, and Punto are already en route to Los Angeles.
 
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