Are all the black dish's now 1000.4's?
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I currently have a 1000.4 EA dish that I installed a couple years ago. I have no need for sat at 77. Would I gain anything by replacing the current dish with a 1000.2 EA dish for just 61.5 & 72.7? ie: better reception/rain fade/snow/etc.? Are the two dishes the same size? Location: upstate NY
Thanks, Gerry
Thanks, Gerry
You would gain another shot at correctly installing your dish (it sounds like the current install is sub-optimal).
The DISH 1000.4 is slightly larger than the DISH 1000.2.
Sub optimal how?
You wouldn't necessarily gain anything, possibly slightly higher signal strengths. If you have a 119 wing dish set up the .2 EA LNB has no input on it so you would need to incorporate a separate switch to keep using it.
I say if it ain't broke..........
You wouldn't necessarily gain anything, possibly slightly higher signal strengths. If you have a 119 wing dish set up the .2 EA LNB has no input on it so you would need to incorporate a separate switch to keep using it.
I say if it ain't broke..........
Dish is installed correctly - have NO idea what you are talking about - your info is of no use.
Don't ask me, you're the one that seems to be somewhat disappointed with the performance of your setup.
Higher signal strengths are rarely a bad thing but they're unlikely to come from installing a smaller dish (unless your install is sub-par).
I can't imagine why you would need to see 119W and how that all figures into the discussion. It doesn't make much difference if you have it hooked to a DISH 1000.4 or a DISH 1000.2 as the documentation that I have indicates that both dishes use LNB assemblies that incorporate DPP43 (wing dish capable) switchgear.
In the net, you would be swapping out for a smaller reflector.
It's not my setup.
According to his profile he has a 1k4 and a 119 listed. And yes, the smaller dish will get you higher signals (from my experience installing them) as it's only focusing on 2 orbitals versus the 3 the .4 was picking up.
The 1k2 EA LNB (which is new) indeed DOES NOT have an input port on it. Maybe you're confusing the 1k4 EA and 1k2 EA. Or maybe you just need to check your documentation again.
I would agree that he probably doesn't need the 119 unless for some reason that is where his locals reside. And I believe I stated above that I wouldn't bother switching it if the system is functioning properly now.
According to his profile he has a 1k4 and a 119 listed. And yes, the smaller dish will get you higher signals (from my experience installing them) as it's only focusing on 2 orbitals versus the 3 the .4 was picking up.
The 1k2 EA LNB (which is new) indeed DOES NOT have an input port on it. Maybe you're confusing the 1k4 EA and 1k2 EA. Or maybe you just need to check your documentation again.
I would agree that he probably doesn't need the 119 unless for some reason that is where his locals reside. And I believe I stated above that I wouldn't bother switching it if the system is functioning properly now.
Replacing the DISH 1000.4 with a DISH 500 may be a win but that's not what was proposed. The proposal was to replace a three slot dish with a somewhat smaller three slot dish.
Apparently they've gone away from the DPP43 in favor of the DPP Twin like the old DISH 1000 had. Sadoun advertises the DPP43 version of the DISH 1000.2.
http://sadoun.com/Sat/Products/Dishnetwork/Dishes/Dish-19.jpg
As a matter of interest, does the new DISH 1000.2 have the adjusting rods like the DISH 1000.4?
No. It's a 2 orbital EA LNB set up on the standard 1k2 reflector. No adjustment rod or azimuth cam like the .4. In all honesty you really don't need it. It's a breeze to install and peak.
I don't think at any time did he mention replacing his .4 with a 500 reflector. You may have just not been aware of the new .2 EA LNB and gotten confused.
I don't think at any time did he mention replacing his .4 with a 500 reflector. You may have just not been aware of the new .2 EA LNB and gotten confused.
We have black D500's in stock now. They include the bolt pack with four black bolts to replace the included gray ones. Like they did when the black D1K2's came out.
Hey speaking of frankendishes.........It's my understanding a 1k4 EA lnb will work on a 500+ reflector. What LNB arm would be the one to use? Or am I mistaken?
You mentioned a two horn dish and I assumed that you meant a DISH 500. I replaced my DISH 1000 with a DISH 500 and a big wing dish because the DISH 500 gave me better signals than adding the wing dish to the DISH 1000. I wonder how the DISH 500 with a DPP Twin compares with the DISH 1000.2 -- seems like much the same thing except your using a dedicated two-slot dish with the DISH 500 versus a two-slot LNB with a three-slot dish.
The larger '3-slot' dish will gather a bit more signal for the two lnb's. It is designed for the 3-lnb setup, but will work all the same with two. You only run into an issue if you try to pull in signal from 4 lnb's.
The LNB arm/polar plate for the d1k4 will not fit the reflector for the d500+. The top two holes in the d500+ reflector are set higher up than the top two slots in the d1k4 LNB arm/skew plate. I got in a pinch a few years back and ran out of d1k4 reflectors. So I had to do a little surgery on the d500+ reflector with my drill bit. The reflector attached with no issues, and I actually got a much higher signal reading on 77,72, and 61.5.
The d1k4 lnb won't fit on the d500+ LNB arm. Actually the d1k4 yoke will fit on the end, but you have to cut off one of the plastic tabs inside the yoke so it fits flush against the arm. Aside from getting the yoke to fit, the 500+ LNB arm is about 3-4 inches longer than the LNB arm for the d1k4. Those few inches throw off the focal points of the lnb. So the d1k4 lnb won't work properly on the d500+ lnb arm/skew plate.
You can't go wrong with a larger reflector. But when you use a smaller reflector or change the focal point of the lnb's, then you're going to have issues.
Interestingly, I've tried a .2 EA LNB on a .4 dish and couldn't make it work. I didn't fuss with it for much more than 10 minutes but a couple other guys have tried as well with no luck.
My guess is it's the length of the lnb arm.
My guess is it's the length of the lnb arm.
Long story short: 1k.2 EA is not worth it over 1k.4 EA if you already have a 1k.4 EA properly peaked.
What's a DPP43? Never heard of it. I know there's the DPP44 and the DPP43, first time I've ever heard of a DPP43.
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What's a DPP43? Never heard of it. I know there's the DPP44 and the DPP43, first time I've ever heard of a DPP43.
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I was thinking 1k4 arm on the 500+ skew plate. It seems like the hole pattern for the 2 arm bolts is the same.
.2 EA LNB will work on a .4 dish. You have to adjust the settings on the dish since you're not picking up 77. If you don't change the settings, you won't pick up anything on your SSB. Your skew and elevation change a few degrees as well as the azimuth. You have to snap off the center tab in the lower half of the yoke so the .2 EA LNB fits properly. Without snapping off the tab, the LNB doesn't slide on all the way. That one yoke modification saves a lot of time of not having to replace the whole dish.
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I'll have to spend some time next time I run into it. I do the tab snip when I need to replace an old 1k4 WA lnb.
Doing a new connect with an existing d1k4lnb, you don't know how long its been up there. Since d1k4lnb's are hard to come by, its easier to replace the existing d1k4lnb with a new d1k2 ea twin. It sucks leaving up the old lnb only to get a trouble call set up in a few days because the old existing lnb went bad.
DPP43 - LNB with 4 sats in, three ports out. Standard d1k2 or d1k4 with a possible 4 orbital slots received, three outputs to the rcvrs.
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