CBS stations return to DISH

[356B]

I have nothing but past experiences to base this on but...I suspect as the world turns this will be resolved. CBS, CNN and all the rest will eventually return to the pack and the only change could be what we, the pawns in the game, pay. I blame both sides in these deals...or lack of, because they are not capable on the surface anyway, of negotiating in good faith like most of us do everyday, be it in business or our personal lives. Shame on the whole damn mess who systematically bring this into our lives for the sole purpose of becoming richer than the 99% paying their bills are...!

 

[Scherrman]

I have nothing but past experiences to base this on but...I suspect as the world turns this will be resolved. CBS, CNN and all the rest will eventually return to the pack and the only change could be what we, the pawns in the game, pay. I blame both sides in these deals...or lack of, because they are not capable on the surface anyway, of negotiating in good faith like most of us do everyday, be it in business or our personal lives. Shame on the whole damn mess who systematically bring this into our lives for the sole purpose of becoming richer than the 99% paying their bills are...!

And how do you propose to right this situation? What can be done to make everyone happy while the businesses still make a profit? How can they make money without us considering them to be greedy?

I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong but I constantly see people commenting on here about how things are such a mess yet no one seems to have a legitimate way of solving the problem in a way that benefits everyone. The companies have to benefit or they will not exist. They also have to keep customers happy or else they won't exist either. So how do you find this happy medium? I myself can't answer that.

 

[whitewolf8214]

Winless Raiders a factor in CBS-Dish negotiations?
Nov 18 2014, 12:35 ET | About: CBS Corporation (CBS) | By: Clark Schultz, SA News Editor

CBS (NYSE:CBS) warns again that its programming could be removed from Dish Networks (DISH +0.8%) on Thursday as negotiations over a contract renewal remain stalled.
The stalemate could lead to Showtime, Smithsonian Channel, and popular CBS network shows such as The Big Bang Theory and NCIS going dark on Dish.
What to watch: Typically, it's NFL football which is the blackout line that most pay-TV operators won't cross - but this week's game features the 0-10 Oakland Raiders which reduces the leverage of CBS just a bit.
http://seekingalpha.com/news/2134575-winless-raiders-a-factor-in-cbs-dish-negotiations#email_link

 

[CK SatGuy]

Considering Oakland is just one team, I highly doubt it's a big factor.


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[whitewolf8214]

CBS Claims Dish Moving Too Slowly in Rights Talks as Thursday Deadline Approaches http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/cb...s-as-thursday-deadline-approaches-1201359242/

CBS is engaged in a little Dish cracking.The big broadcaster issued a statement Tuesday warning that its talks with Dish Network over rights to carry the CBS broadcast network and various other TV holdings CBS owns were moving too slowly and suggested the Eye could be removed from the satellite broadcaster’s service by Thursday, Nov. 20, which is when the companies’ current agreement is set to expire.Dish “appears willing to drop the most popular programming in its entire channel lineup because it won’t negotiate the same sort of deal that other cable, satellite and telco companies have struck with CBS,” the broadcaster said in a statement.The CBS statement marks the second salvo that the broadcaster of such broadly viewed programs as “NCIS” and “The Big Bang Theory” has launched in recent days. Last week, CBS began running promos on various local stations alerting viewers to the potential breakdown in talks between the two parties and urging them to rally to the CBS cause. Showtime and CBS Sports Network could also be affected on Dish if the companies fail to reach an agreement.

 

[whitewolf8214]

CBS Says Dish Poised to Black Out Network in Fee Dispute http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...ck-out-network-in-fee-dispute.html?cmpid=yhoo

CBS Corp. (CBS) said Dish Network Corp. (DISH) is poised to black out its programming when a contract between the broadcaster and the satellite-TV service ends Nov. 20.“Dish appears willing to drop the most popular programming in its entire channel lineup because it won’t negotiate the same sort of deal that other cable, satellite and telco companies have struck with CBS,” New York-based CBS said today in a statement.Charlie Ergen, co-founder of Dish, has taken a hard line in talks for rights to programming from companies like CBS. His company, the No. 3 U.S. pay-TV service with about 14 million subscribers, blacked out channels from Time Warner Inc.’s Turner Broadcasting, including CNN and the Cartoon Network, in a dispute that began in October. Ergen said this month Turner is seeking a double-digit percentage increase in fees for CNN, while viewership is down by half.“Only CBS can force a blackout of its channels,” Robert Toevs, a Dish spokesman, said in an e-mail. “Dish is actively working to reach a deal before the contract expires.”

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

The stalemate could lead to Showtime, Smithsonian Channel, and popular CBS network shows such as The Big Bang Theory and NCIS going dark on Dish.

bad reporting there, as DISH hasn't carried Smithsonian Channel for years.

 

[356B]

And how do you propose to right this situation? What can be done to make everyone happy while the businesses still make a profit? How can they make money without us considering them to be greedy?

I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong but I constantly see people commenting on here about how things are such a mess yet no one seems to have a legitimate way of solving the problem in a way that benefits everyone. The companies have to benefit or they will not exist. They also have to keep customers happy or else they won't exist either. So how do you find this happy medium? I myself can't answer that.

Simple answer...You don't. It is engrained into the fabric of business, especially Big Business. I believe it gets to the point it is not solely about money, it's about power and one up-manship and ego. I'm a local political consultant in another life, just ran a successful Supervisorial campaign. It's not about the money there...it's about the power. The truth is we have little to no control over any of this, but taking sides and pitting one side against the other is ludicrous, their all wrong, and we, the consumer are caught in the middle...as usual. I'm just hoping for a agreement, so I can stop messing with this. And to be clear they are wrong because they let it get to this place, but that too is the nature of Big Business, Unions, etc.

 

[darrengs]

CBS Says Dish Poised to Black Out Network in Fee Dispute http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...ck-out-network-in-fee-dispute.html?cmpid=yhoo

The article states: Dish “appears willing to drop the most popular programming in its entire channel lineup because it won’t negotiate the same sort of deal that other cable, satellite and telco companies have struck with CBS,” the broadcaster said in a statement.

Not sure I agree that CBS has "most popular programming in its entire channel lineup", we do watch Big bang Theory, but in my household CBS is definitely not the "most popular programming in its entire channel lineup".

 

[CK SatGuy]

Well CBS is #1 for a reason. I disagree with the part that Dish is willing to drop it.

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[sam_gordon]

And how do you propose to right this situation? What can be done to make everyone happy while the businesses still make a profit? How can they make money without us considering them to be greedy?

I'm not saying that your thoughts are wrong but I constantly see people commenting on here about how things are such a mess yet no one seems to have a legitimate way of solving the problem in a way that benefits everyone. The companies have to benefit or they will not exist. They also have to keep customers happy or else they won't exist either. So how do you find this happy medium? I myself can't answer that.

These aren't necessarily realistic, but from a customer standpoint...

1) Expose the negotiations. Let us know how much you're paying for a channel, how much is being requested, etc.
2) Develop a formula that takes into account viewership on Dish (they should have the numbers) and a dollar amount/viewer for all channels. So if you're paying 5 cents/VIEWER, then channels that have more viewers get more money.

 

[Scherrman]

These aren't necessarily realistic, but from a customer standpoint...

1) Expose the negotiations. Let us know how much you're paying for a channel, how much is being requested, etc.
2) Develop a formula that takes into account viewership on Dish (they should have the numbers) and a dollar amount/viewer for all channels. So if you're paying 5 cents/VIEWER, then channels that have more viewers get more money.

Exposing the negotiations may work but at the same time, as a business do you really want to let your customer's know what you are paying and making? That can work both ways.

 

[KAB]

I'm sure a non-disclosure clause is worked into such contracts.

 

[dfergie]

CBS turned up the pressure on Dish Network Tuesday, claiming the nation’s second largest satellite TV service provider is willing to let its owned and operated stations and cable networks go dark to its customers.

“Dish has been deliberately dragging its feet for months,” CBS said in a statement. “Now, as the deadline nears, Dish appears willing to drop the most popular programming in its entire channel lineup because it won’t negotiate the same sort of deal that other cable, satellite and telco companies have struck with CBS.”

CBS has been notoriously aggressive in its carriage negotiations in the past, and this set of talks appears no different. The network, which says cable channels CBS Sports Network and premium channel Showtime are also part of the negotiations, has said it hopes to generate about $2 billion in retransmission consent and reverse compensation revenue annually by 2020.
Dish is no wall flower in negotiations either, and has shown it is unafraid to endure lengthy blackouts to get its message across. The company is currently in a dispute with Turner Broadcasting Networks (which went dark to Dish’s 14 million customers on Oct. 20) and in the past has weathered lengthy dark periods with AMC Networks and Lifetime.

Dish said its position hasn't changed since Monday, when it issued the following statement:

“Only CBS can force a blackout of its channels. Dish is actively working to reach a deal before the contract expires and has successfully negotiated agreements representing hundreds of stations in recent months that benefit all parties, including our viewers. We are unsure why CBS decided to involve customers in the contract negotiation process at a point when there is time for the two parties to reach a mutually beneficial deal.”

multichannel.com

 

[darrengs]

I am ready for CBS to go dark. I can't get it OTA, but there are other ways to get the few shows we watch. And there aren't any NFL games I need to see that are scheduled for the rest of the year.

 

[sam_gordon]

Exposing the negotiations may work but at the same time, as a business do you really want to let your customer's know what you are paying and making? That can work both ways.

Hey, you wanted ideas. You didn't say they had to be good ones.

Remember, Dish has the mantra "we're keeping your prices low". You know what, prove it!

 

[Scherrman]

Hey, you wanted ideas. You didn't say they had to be good ones.

Remember, Dish has the mantra "we're keeping your prices low". You know what, prove it!

I wish they could but I'm guess their hands are tied. If there was a way for the networks to loosen their grip on their bundles of channels then maybe Dish could put together some smaller more affordable packages with channels people actually want.

 

[sam_gordon]

Just to clarify, I wasn't asking you to prove Dish was keeping the prices low, but for Dish to back up their own claim.

Channel bundles would be fine under my second argument... let's say Dish agrees to pay 1 cent/minute/channel viewed. So if I watch ESPN for a 3 hour game, Dish would owe ESPN $1.80. If I watch Lifetime for a minute, Dish pays them .01. I watch 15 minutes of the History channel, that's 15 cents. Channels that get watched get more.

Obviously, the price is made up.

Let's think outside the box though.

 

[Hall]

do you really want to let your customer's know what you are paying and making? That can work both ways.

Only to simple-minded people, you know, the type that sees that Dish pays $0.50 for channel "x" but charges us $3.25, and think Dish is pocketing (profit) the difference.

 

[Hall]

I'm sure a non-disclosure clause is worked into such contracts.

Without question that's the case. Odd thing is, some people will claim that network "A" can't charge Dish one rate, Directv a different rate, Time Warner a third rate, and so on -- they say it's anti-competitive or something. Unless I'm missing something, that simply can't be accurate. If it were, there'd be no negotiations possible.