Net Neutrality Explained

[Juan]

Nope..perhaps it my job to install the cache servers....streaming is a big issue in major metropolitan areas....kinda like the no dial tone thing when dialup was in heavy use

Come on Juan, you're smarter than that. If Google and Netflix have the bandwidth to get those streams to your ISP, and your ISP doesn't have the infrastructure to give it to you, it's on them to fix their own bottleneck.

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[ncted]

that's a nice theory but that's not reality...if you want everyone to have low cost best effort internet traffic on a system that was never designed for heavy video traffic..that's just great..but if you want gigabit internet speeds at an affordable price...netflix and google are going to have to fork over some cash..the internet is a collection of private networks that the public is allowed to use..the government may provide funding to allow rural areas access to the internet but the internet is no different than your local electric company..the more you use..the more you pay...some customers..as in businesses get priority service residential customers

No offense, but that isn't how it works. Not only have Google, et. al already paid for their bandwidth, sometimes twice when you factor in CDN costs, but the more you use, the less it costs per unit of bandwidth. Additionally, it literally costs companies like Comcast and Spectrum hundreds of dollars to add capacity at peering points. With tech like DOCSIS 3 and GPON, there is no reason why they cannot handle the video traffic. It was a shakedown, pure and simple. Otherwise they wouldn't have been able to solve the "Netflix bandwidth problem" overnight after Netflix paid up. The thing is, Netflix paying actually helped all of their competitors as well, as the peering point upgrades that fixed the problem solved it for Prime Video, YouTube, Hulu, etc. as well.

 

[ncted]

silly rabbit..they also collect the info at the sites you visit..track your purchases..no matter what setting you apply..now..if you wanted an encrypted VPN that would help

Not necessarily. It just gives your information to the VPN's ISP(s) instead, who you don't actually have any direct relationship with (and can't take to arbitration/sue). It might be slightly more anonymized, but that doesn't mean they don't:

1. Know who you are.
2. Know what you are doing.

 

[ncted]

No...the ISP has to put in cache servers to cut the traffic down....cache means a copy of a popular movie or show is kept locally instead of traversing across the worldwide web....so they charge google or netflix or whoever for the service...this allows 4k content without gumming up local internet pipes...since google or netflix is causing the issue..they should pay for the fix....live streaming is a different animal ..kinda like some one building a factory...with the owners of the road upgrading local roads instead of the town

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Netflix gives ISPs cache serves for free you know. The cost to the ISP is air conditioning and power -- probably tens of dollars per month.

 

[TheKrell]

Nope..perhaps it my job to install the cache servers....streaming is a big issue in major metropolitan areas....kinda like the no dial tone thing when dialup was in heavy use

OK, let's go with that analogy. If you have no dialtone, then who needs to fix that? Your own phone company, or the person you are calling?

 

[comfortably_numb]

perhaps it my job to install the cache servers

It's not

 

[Juan]

But it is

It's not

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[ncted]

But it is

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OpenConnect? Akamai?

 

[Juan]

With ip phone service...dialtone is a thing of the past....however..since you asked...if the trouble is inside..its $120 + time and materials....if it is outside obviously the phone company or who ever has to fix it....depends where the network demarcation point is

OK, let's go with that analogy. If you have no dialtone, then who needs to fix that? Your own phone company, or the person you are calling?

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[Juan]

Neither

OpenConnect? Akamai?

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[ncted]

Neither

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You're such a tease.

 

[comfortably_numb]

But it is

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As much time as you spend trolling this site, it's hard to believe you accomplish much of anything for your employer

 

[harshness]

silly rabbit..they also collect the info at the sites you visit..track your purchases..no matter what setting you apply..now..if you wanted an encrypted VPN that would help

VPN (encrypted by definition) really only hides your whereabouts. It is your browser that is ratting out your web travels.

This goes back to your specious claim that it is the ISPs that are revealing your every move.

 

[harshness]

Nope..perhaps it my job to install the cache servers....streaming is a big issue in major metropolitan areas....kinda like the no dial tone thing when dialup was in heavy use

Since when did cache servers start keeping track of who was requesting the data?

 

[Juan]

Huh?...perhaps netflix or whoever provides the data

Since when did cache servers start keeping track of who was requesting the data?

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[Juan]

5g is big brother phase 1

VPN (encrypted by definition) really only hides your whereabouts. It is your browser that is ratting out your web travels.

This goes back to your specious claim that it is the ISPs that are revealing your every move.

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[navychop]

Oh, I think phase one was a few phases ago.

BTW, while discussing traveling and a National Identity Card [ ], what do you think of the little star in the top corner? Google it. October 2020 IIRC


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[harshness]

Huh?...perhaps netflix or whoever provides the data

I thought you were insisting that the was the ISPs that were providing the data. My bad if that's not the case.

 

[Juan]

Define ISP...many companies cough comcast, att and others cough...wear many hats but a small local ISP probably wouldn't

I thought you were insisting that the was the ISPs that were providing the data. My bad if that's not the case.

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[TheKrell]

Define ISP...many companies cough comcast, att and others cough...wear many hats but a small local ISP probably wouldn't

Another thing a small/local ISP wouldn't do is deliberately let their peering points saturate in an attempt to extort Netflix into handing them money. That would never work since their customers are too few for Netflix to notice, and those customers would form a posse and take it out of their hide.