DIRECTV unlikely to keep NFL Sunday Ticket

[Bruce]

How exactly is the largest TV provider for almost 2 decades, and still going "the least popular". The actual facts would be that it is the MOST popular, as it has the largest customer numbers.

Both Comcast ( 19.8 million TV customers) and Charter ( 16.2 million) have more.

Wow, just 15M. rolleyes

First off, DirecTV Satellite itself has a tad above 13 million, the rest are Uverse and DirecTV stream.

Yeah, the cord cutting deal was a thing.

Still is.

Right. So evey other provider, with less customers is on which leg?

A few companies are trying to get out of being a TV service, WOW and Verizon Fios are the biggest.

The one they keep renewing.

DirecTV was the only one willing to pay and had National Service, times have changed because of the internet.

Really? Once again, the NFL could care less how many people watch the SUPPLEMENTAL NFLST package, only what the exculsuive provider is willing to pay for it.

I agree with you but if the NFL did care about getting more customers watching NFLST, which company has the most potential to do so, DirecTV with 13 million subs or Amazon Prime with 160 million subs in the United States

A fact free opinion piece by somebody who doesn't know enough to comment.

I found the piece to be rather insightful.

 

[Don in CT]

If DTV pays the most they will get the contract again. I don't think they can afford to pay the most to keep it.

 

[Juan]

Both Comcast ( 19.8 million TV customers) and Charter ( 16.2 million) have more.

First off, DirecTV Satellite itself has a tad above 13 million, the rest are Uverse and DirecTV stream.

Still is.

A few companies are trying to get out of being a TV service, WOW and Verizon Fios are the biggest.

DirecTV was the only one willing to pay and had National Service, times have changed because of the internet.

I agree with you but if the NFL did care about getting more customers watching NFLST, which company has the most potential to do so, DirecTV with 13 million subs or Amazon Prime with 160 million subs in the United States

I found the piece to be rather insightful.

Comcast is geographically locked...it would have to be a group cable deal

 

[Juan]

If DTV pays the most they will get the contract again. I don't think they can afford to pay the most to keep it.

I bet they keep it and offer a second streaming option

 

[Don in CT]

Comcast is geographically locked...it would have to be a group cable deal

It would be like the Extra Innings package. Every cable operator owns a piece of it.

 

[Don in CT]

I bet they keep it and offer a second streaming option

Maybe the NFL offers it up to multiple bidders. Let Amazon handle the streaming side of it, DTV and other cable providers the traditional side. I can't see DTV getting an exclusive again.

 

[Bruce]

Maybe the NFL offers it up to multiple bidders. Let Amazon handle the streaming side of it, DTV and other cable providers the traditional side. I can't see DTV getting an exclusive again.

Goodell also suggested to CNBC that the league is looking for one strategic partner to acquire not only “Sunday Ticket” rights but to also invest in NFL Network, which airs NFL content all year, and NFL RedZone, which shows live footage of game action when teams are close to scoring touchdowns. The NFL currently owns both NFL Network and NFL RedZone.

Amazon likely front-runner for multiyear NFL Sunday Ticket deal, sources say

Amazon has serious interest in the NFL's "Sunday Ticket" package as talks progress.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Don in CT]

Goodell also suggested to CNBC that the league is looking for one strategic partner to acquire not only “Sunday Ticket” rights but to also invest in NFL Network, which airs NFL content all year, and NFL RedZone, which shows live footage of game action when teams are close to scoring touchdowns. The NFL currently owns both NFL Network and NFL RedZone.

Amazon likely front-runner for multiyear NFL Sunday Ticket deal, sources say

Amazon has serious interest in the NFL's "Sunday Ticket" package as talks progress.

www.cnbc.com

I think the NFL is looking for a production partner for NFL Network, not to sell it outright.

 

[John2021]

If DTV pays the most they will get the contract again. I don't think they can afford to pay the most to keep it.

You don't think they might keep it on a per sub deal like the rest of the major sports vs doing one blanket payment?

 

[SamCdbs]

Both Comcast ( 19.8 million TV customers) and Charter ( 16.2 million) have more.

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Still is.

Is it? Or have the number of people who can get by with non-linear TV been found, and everyone else (the majority) are still subscribing to linear TV (which includes internet based linear TV, which is "cord switching" not "cord cutting".

A few companies are trying to get out of being a TV service, WOW and Verizon Fios are the biggest.

OK

DirecTV was the only one willing to pay and had National Service, times have changed because of the internet.

Has it though? Once again the basic point of all of this is the NFLST business plan is totally different from the other leagues. DirecTV uses ST as a loss leader. Access to it is predicated on buying one's linear TV from it as well. The other leagues are a simple partnership, MLB and whoever just split the profit from MLBEI sales. Very different.

So "the internet". OK. And?

The and is a potential bidder needs a predicate. Amazon could predicate you buying ST on having Prime, or buying $400 of stuff a year, or something. Disney on buying the "Disney Bundle" or just ESPN+. But many of the bidders theorized are just have nothing to predicate. And anybody who gives the NFL more money than they can make back, in the absence of some side way as DirecTV has, for ST is an idiot.

I agree with you but if the NFL did care about getting more customers watching NFLST, which company has the most potential to do so, DirecTV with 13 million subs or Amazon Prime with 160 million subs in the United States

Both. DirecTV is available to anyone with a clear view of the southern sky. The real issue is that ST remains a niche product. 99% of Americans COULD get it. But only a fraction of a % do.

It is not like people are sitting around looking at their TV wishing it could get ST. If you want ST, you get DirecTV.

 

[Juan]

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Is it? Or have the number of people who can get by with non-linear TV been found, and everyone else (the majority) are still subscribing to linear TV (which includes internet based linear TV, which is "cord switching" not "cord cutting".

OK

Has it though? Once again the basic point of all of this is the NFLST business plan is totally different from the other leagues. DirecTV uses ST as a loss leader. Access to it is predicated on buying one's linear TV from it as well. The other leagues are a simple partnership, MLB and whoever just split the profit from MLBEI sales. Very different.

So "the internet". OK. And?

The and is a potential bidder needs a predicate. Amazon could predicate you buying ST on having Prime, or buying $400 of stuff a year, or something. Disney on buying the "Disney Bundle" or just ESPN+. But many of the bidders theorized are just have nothing to predicate. And anybody who gives the NFL more money than they can make back, in the absence of some side way as DirecTV has, for ST is an idiot.

Both. DirecTV is available to anyone with a clear view of the southern sky. The real issue is that ST remains a niche product. 99% of Americans COULD get it. But only a fraction of a % do.

It is not like people are sitting around looking at their TV wishing it could get ST. If you want ST, you get DirecTV.

Old people will always be on linear tv...its the 30 undercrowd that isnt..but there are many many people who can no longer afford cable or satellite

 

[Bruce]

Is it? Or have the number of people who can get by with non-linear TV been found, and everyone else (the majority) are still subscribing to linear TV (which includes internet based linear TV, which is "cord switching" not "cord cutting".

But the majority is shrinking, 6 million left Traditional Service in 2020 ( from your link) and 5 million so far in 2021, that number just in the last 2 years is more then subscribers to OTT Live Service-8 million.

Has it though? Once again the basic point of all of this is the NFLST business plan is totally different from the other leagues. DirecTV uses ST as a loss leader. Access to it is predicated on buying one's linear TV from it as well. The other leagues are a simple partnership, MLB and whoever just split the profit from MLBEI sales. Very different.

So "the internet". OK. And?

Why do they need a and?

And anybody who gives the NFL more money than they can make back, in the absence of some side way as DirecTV has, for ST is an idiot

Then I would guess that DirecTV is a idiot since they have been losing $600 million a year on NFLST for the last few years, that is why there has not been one News Story that DirecTV is trying to keep it.

.Both. DirecTV is available to anyone with a clear view of the southern sky. The real issue is that ST remains a niche product. 99% of Americans COULD get it. But only a fraction of a % do.

It is not like people are sitting around looking at their TV wishing it could get ST. If you want ST, you get DirecTV.

I want NFLST ( and will get it once it is available via the internet) but do not want DirecTV, I have 11 TVs, to pay Box Fees/DVR on all those would add about $80 a month to the monthly bill, that is wasted money to me.

I have said it before, I would rather have a Traditional service like Dish or DirecTV, if they can figure out how I can get service on TVs that do not get much use ( guest rooms for example) without charging me a box charge, I would jump, Comcast, Charter and YTTV all do it.

 

[John2021]

Old people will always be on linear tv...its the 30 undercrowd that isnt..but there are many many people who can no longer afford cable or satellite

us old people love set top boxes and clickers

 

[Juan]

us old people love set top boxes and clickers

I like getting out of my chair and changing the channel

 

[Bruce]

Old people will always be on linear tv...its the 30 undercrowd that isnt..but there are many many people who can no longer afford cable or satellite

us old people love set top boxes and clickers

I am definitely not in the under 30 crowd ( 55 this year) and can easily afford cable/satellite service, but I love how everything works now, thanks to ARC, we now only have one remote ( Roku) to control everything ( pre-pro/amplifier/Television and Programing) beyond the initial setup.

If I want HBO, hit the app, YTTV, hit the app, go to guide, done, watch a new movie, hit the Vudu app, find the movie, done, etc, etc.

Before, grab the TV remote, turn on, find the receiver remote, turn on for sound, switch the input on the Receiver to the Sat/Cable Service, find the remote for Cable/Sat. service, hit guide, find the show, want to watch a movie, switch receiver to the DVD/BR input, find the DVD player remote, pop the disc in, done, etc, etc.

This is why I am amazed at folks here that do not want change, the way we have been watching Television programming has been evolving since it started, you just have to evolve with it.

 

[dtv757]

Before, grab the TV remote, turn on, find the receiver remote, turn on for sound, switch the input on the Receiver to the Sat/Cable Service, find the remote for Cable/Sat. service, hit guide, find the show, want to watch a movie, switch receiver to the DVD/BR input, find the DVD player remote, pop the disc in, done, etc, etc.
....

That's a lot of remotes lol

Wouldn't the TV , STB and Sound system all turn on when you press power on (on the D* remote)??

Also on demand you can search for movies etc vs guessing which app has what...


I know cell phones usually tell us which platform a show /movie is on now ...


Also reverse to that , other providers have netflix app built into the STB .. so no need to change remotes or inputs ...D* does need to add apps one day I miss the YouTube search feature

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[Bruce]

That's a lot of remotes lol

Wouldn't the TV , STB and Sound system all turn on when you press power on ??

Now yes, then nope, think we had about 8 remotes back then on the coffee table, my wife says never again.

Also on demand you can search for movies etc vs guessing which app has what...

You can do that now, say or type the movie and the Roku will show where it is, free or a charge

I know cell phones usually tell us which platform a show /movie is on now ...

So does any browser, never use it either, for any movie I go straight to Vudu, picture and sound is so superior to Traditional Service, everything in at least 1080P and now 4K/HDR/Dolby Vision.

I have over 2000 movies in my Digital Locker and thanks to my Gift Card buying Loophole ( I get free Gift Cards to the majority of my streaming services with my credit card points) costs me nothing to buy new movies, for example Ghostbusters Afterlife is out Tuesday Digitally in 4K/DV, cost to me is $0

Also reverse to that , other providers have netflix app built into the STB .. so no need to change remotes or inputs ...D* does need to add apps one day I miss the YouTube search feature

Just as easy to use the Roku interface built in my TV(85” TCL 7 Series), but I heard the Netflix app built into the Hooper 3 is limited, no HDR/DV.

Do not know how it works on other Boxes, say the X1 from Comcast for example.

 

[dtv757]

Yea I think fios also has netflix YouTube and pluto apps on the STB



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[jerryez]

I have the Welcome Pack and streaming. I can afford more, but there is nothing good left to watch above the Welcome Pack. I watch football, but only the Free games offered OTA. I do notice that almost all of the Bowl games are on pay TV now. How can the FCC allow that to happen?

 

[Juan]

I have the Welcome Pack and streaming. I can afford more, but there is nothing good left to watch above the Welcome Pack. I watch football, but only the Free games offered OTA. I do notice that almost all of the Bowl games are on pay TV now. How can the FCC allow that to happen?

They have no control over it