2024-2025 NCAA Football Thread

[Mike0616]

Strength of Schedule coming into the season or current ?

Oregons Remaining SOS is 57th
They started the season as 25th

Ohio State started the season at 23rd
Remaining is 49th ...
I'm sure a lot of that was the demise of TTUN

Strength of Schedule for All 136 FBS College Football Teams

The latest PFSN strength of schedule ranks the easiest and toughest paths through the season as college football Week 5 looms large.

collegefootballnetwork.com

Keep in mind, this is One sites opinion

And that site is vastly different than the numbers at ESPN, Sagarin, etc. (the better known and older sites.). The SOS used by the CFP committee is their own that includes wins over ranked teams, record against teams with WINNING RECORDS (that ought to kill Indiana!), etc. They will not divulge to common folks what their exact formula is, or even if they have one, although their site sounds like a metric of some kind is used.

 

[Ronnie-]

Strength of Schedule coming into the season or current ?

Oregons Remaining SOS is 57th
They started the season as 25th

Ohio State started the season at 23rd
Remaining is 49th ...
I'm sure a lot of that was the demise of TTUN

Strength of Schedule for All 136 FBS College Football Teams

The latest PFSN strength of schedule ranks the easiest and toughest paths through the season as college football Week 5 looms large.

collegefootballnetwork.com

Keep in mind, this is One sites opinion

Sheesh. That doesn't match any other SOS that anyone else has out, I definitely don't agree with it.

The difference between it with just bama. They have them in the 100 range, nearly everyone else has them around the top 10. Some in the top 5.


It's not dissimilar for several other teams.

 

[Jimbo]

And that site is vastly different than the numbers at ESPN, Sagarin, etc. (the better known and older sites.). The SOS used by the CFP committee is their own that includes wins over ranked teams, record against teams with WINNING RECORDS (that ought to kill Indiana!), etc. They will not divulge to common folks what their exact formula is, or even if they have one, although their site sounds like a metric of some kind is used.

As I said ... keep in mind, thats one sites opinion

For all the different polls, we may as well have our own poll.

 

[Jimbo]

Sheesh. That doesn't match any other SOS that anyone else has out, I definitely don't agree with it.

The difference between it with just bama. They have them in the 100 range, nearly everyone else has them around the top 10. Some in the top 5.


It's not dissimilar for several other teams.

Every poll has thier own ideas.

 

[Mike0616]

Every poll has thier own ideas.

and some are more feeble than others.

 

[Yespage]

In the AP poll, it is good to be in the Big Ten, taking four of the top five spots: Oregon, Ohio State (who has only lost to Oregon), Penn State (who only lost to Ohio State), and Indiana (who hasn't played any of those three or a college of note). Here's to easy Big Ten Schedule *clink*

Thanks to the breakthrough of circular college football ranking logic, even if Indiana loses to Ohio State, they should still be in the top 10 because of... ranking inertia. Which does make me want to ask "WHY IS INDIANA #5 IN THE NATION IN THE FIRST PLACE?!"

Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss sit on two losses each. Alabama lost to Vanderbilt and Tennessee, Georgia to two ranked teams, and Ole Miss to three loss LSU and two loss Georgia. Making an argument for SEC parity. And finally, Texas beat... well... Vanderbilt, but lost to Alabama. Which arguably makes a statement that Alabama is a top four team, despite losing twice.

Notre Dame is riding that Texas A&M win despite losing to Northern Illinois (a mediocre MAC team), and are in front of Alabama and Georgia... who are ahead of Texas A&M.

Ah... the ridiculous effort that is known as trying to objectively rank college football teams that only play two to four or five competitive games a season. Thank goodness there is a large playoff because otherwise, not certain how this would have worked.

 

[Yespage]

When it comes to college football, I'm a bit of an anarchist, just based on how little of a sport it is and more of a mega corporation. I like to see things burn. Speaking of which, the SEC is one massive clump of teams, which means the potential for more tiebreakers.

1. Head-to-head among the tied teams
2. Record vs. common opponents among the tied teams
3. Record against the highest-place opponent among the tied teams
4. Combined winning percentage of all conference opponents for each team

Current standings are here. Three strategic losses and we could have how many teams with 2 losses? *maniacal laughter*

The SEC could be in talks with IBM to develop a super computer than can manage the tiebreaker among 6 teams.

 

[Jimbo]

In the AP poll, it is good to be in the Big Ten, taking four of the top five spots: Oregon, Ohio State (who has only lost to Oregon), Penn State (who only lost to Ohio State), and Indiana (who hasn't played any of those three or a college of note). Here's to easy Big Ten Schedule *clink*

Thanks to the breakthrough of circular college football ranking logic, even if Indiana loses to Ohio State, they should still be in the top 10 because of... ranking inertia. Which does make me want to ask "WHY IS INDIANA #5 IN THE NATION IN THE FIRST PLACE?!"

Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss sit on two losses each. Alabama lost to Vanderbilt and Tennessee, Georgia to two ranked teams, and Ole Miss to three loss LSU and two loss Georgia. Making an argument for SEC parity. And finally, Texas beat... well... Vanderbilt, but lost to Alabama. Which arguably makes a statement that Alabama is a top four team, despite losing twice.

Notre Dame is riding that Texas A&M win despite losing to Northern Illinois (a mediocre MAC team), and are in front of Alabama and Georgia... who are ahead of Texas A&M.

Ah... the ridiculous effort that is known as trying to objectively rank college football teams that only play two to four or five competitive games a season. Thank goodness there is a large playoff because otherwise, not certain how this would have worked.

Why was Miami ranked #4 a week or so ago ...
Thye haven't played anyone all that good, other than possibly Louisville (that was a 1 possession game)

 

[Yespage]

Big 10 continue to cruise with 4 of the top 5 spots. There is only two losses among those teams, which is roughly 10 times as many wins against top opponents those four teams have as well. Oregon beat OSU, OSU beat PSU. Indiana are undefeated! Two spots under Indiana is 2-loss Alabama, who'd I can only imagine, would torch Indiana for 92 points in the first half and that is after subbing in the cheerleaders. Oh yeah, Notre Dame is in 6th because... ratings. Georgia is in the spot behind Alabama... followed by more SEC teams, Ole Miss and Tennessee. All with two losses each.

The magic this year is all SEC. Two teams with one loss, both from Texas. Then four teams stand at two losses. We are just two convenient losses by Texas and Texas A&M away from a 6 way SEC tie. I'm pushing a Texas A&M victory over Texas. But a six-way tie for first does have some benefits.

Indiana takes on OSU this weekend. A win for Indiana would send them to #2, while a loss could see them drop one or two spots... or 20. PSU lost to OSU and are still fourth without any quality victories. Is the Big Ten in charge of rankings this year?

 

[Foxbat]

The magic this year is all SEC. Two teams with one loss, both from Texas. Then four teams stand at two losses. We are just two convenient losses by Texas and Texas A&M away from a 6 way SEC tie. I'm pushing a Texas A&M victory over Texas. But a six-way tie for first does have some benefits.

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[Yespage]

Alright, Army could help add some crazy to the fire! Go Army!

 

[Jimbo]

Big 10 continue to cruise with 4 of the top 5 spots. There is only two losses among those teams, which is roughly 10 times as many wins against top opponents those four teams have as well. Oregon beat OSU, OSU beat PSU. Indiana are undefeated! Two spots under Indiana is 2-loss Alabama, who'd I can only imagine, would torch Indiana for 92 points in the first half and that is after subbing in the cheerleaders. Oh yeah, Notre Dame is in 6th because... ratings. Georgia is in the spot behind Alabama... followed by more SEC teams, Ole Miss and Tennessee. All with two losses each.

The magic this year is all SEC. Two teams with one loss, both from Texas. Then four teams stand at two losses. We are just two convenient losses by Texas and Texas A&M away from a 6 way SEC tie. I'm pushing a Texas A&M victory over Texas. But a six-way tie for first does have some benefits.

Indiana takes on OSU this weekend. A win for Indiana would send them to #2, while a loss could see them drop one or two spots... or 20. PSU lost to OSU and are still fourth without any quality victories. Is the Big Ten in charge of rankings this year?

I really think the CFP committee is looking at who has the best Losses, instead of the Best Wins.

 

[Yespage]

Alabama proves one can lose poetically. Two bad losses for them now.

 

[Radioguy41]

Notre Dame is riding that Texas A&M win despite losing to Northern Illinois (a mediocre MAC team), and are in front of Alabama and Georgia... who are ahead of Texas A&M.

That is the long standing ND bias. They have consistently been over ranked for decades. When it comes to ranking teams the powers that be have 2 bias; There are teams that drop just one step down the porch steps in the rankings after a loss and there are teams that fall down the elevator shaft after just one loss. That's the "favorite teams" bias at work. Bowls want teams with big followings in their games and the big bowls run the program. Think of ND as the Dallas Cowboys of the NCAA, no matter how weak the Cowboys are the powers that be will always make some excuse for putting them on TV in prime time (just look at this seasons remaining TV schedule). ND, and some others, is/are treated in a similar fashion, there will always be some sort of excuse made for keeping them in the rankings simply because they have a national following and that means filled seats at a bowl game. Who's going to sell more tickets, ND vs Georgia or Bowling Green vs Georgia in a bowl game?

 

[Yespage]

The Big 12 is stuffed with drama <-- little d because it is the Bag 12. There is a four way tie for first and only one of those teams beat Kansas. So, is that the tiebreaker? I don't know.

Speaking of Kansas, they stand at 4-4 in the conference and are 1-3 against teams in the conference who aren't nationally ranked. Kansas might have one of the harder schedules nationally, having played SIX teams that were ranked while they were playing them. According to this, they are 18th in SoS. Granted, when I say Nationally Ranked, I mean technically. BYU, Colorado, Illinois, UNLV, Arizona State, Iowa St... but they were (are) ranked!

Kansas has been in a flurry of very close games and a few coin tosses here and there, and they are tops in the Big 12. Should they be allowed to go the playoff because of their SoS and so-so record against ranked teams (3-3). I say yes! We've got 12 teams (or is 128 now?). Let's just blow one of the options on Kansas. They aren't going to win, but so aren't 11 of the other teams. At least they had a schedule against moderately decent teams. Sure, their quality wins are kind of crap, but they also lost to pretty crappy teams, which really just evens it all out, right...? If a team can make the playoff with three losses, then the committee agrees three losses are nothing... so what is another three on top of that?!

Go Jayhawks!

 

[Don in CT]

College overtime rules are so stupid.

 

[Jimbo]

The Big 12 is stuffed with drama <-- little d because it is the Bag 12. There is a four way tie for first and only one of those teams beat Kansas. So, is that the tiebreaker? I don't know.

Speaking of Kansas, they stand at 4-4 in the conference and are 1-3 against teams in the conference who aren't nationally ranked. Kansas might have one of the harder schedules nationally, having played SIX teams that were ranked while they were playing them. According to this, they are 18th in SoS. Granted, when I say Nationally Ranked, I mean technically. BYU, Colorado, Illinois, UNLV, Arizona State, Iowa St... but they were (are) ranked!

Kansas has been in a flurry of very close games and a few coin tosses here and there, and they are tops in the Big 12. Should they be allowed to go the playoff because of their SoS and so-so record against ranked teams (3-3). I say yes! We've got 12 teams (or is 128 now?). Let's just blow one of the options on Kansas. They aren't going to win, but so aren't 11 of the other teams. At least they had a schedule against moderately decent teams. Sure, their quality wins are kind of crap, but they also lost to pretty crappy teams, which really just evens it all out, right...? If a team can make the playoff with three losses, then the committee agrees three losses are nothing... so what is another three on top of that?!

Go Jayhawks!

Is the Committee going to put a (or more) 3 loss team in because they are deserving (???) or because there are not enough teams without ?

Any previous year a team with 2 losses Barely had a chance to get considered, SEC teams were the ones that a loss or 2 didn't take them out in most cases...

Look at this year IF we were still in the previous system, how would they have kept the SEC teams in there ?
I think they all have 2 losses or more ... but they would have been in there some how.

Whoever mentioned about the team that draws eye balls will get in when in question, is very much a factor.

 

[Jimbo]

College overtime rules are so stupid.

With what they are doing now, I agree 1000000%.

I didn't mind the OT portion, until they went to the you have to do 2 point conversions the rest of the way ... that is the stupidest thing in the world ...
Maybe baseball should do that too,, lets make extra inning a best Bunting contest and forget about the rest of the game.

NO longer as Special teams involved .
Defense is for a few minutes.

Personally, I'd go back to the previous version, except I'd start the teams at the 40 or even the 50 yard line, this way the whole game still gets played, not just your best gadget plays.

 

[Don in CT]

With what they are doing now, I agree 1000000%.

I didn't mind the OT portion, until they went to the you have to do 2 point conversions the rest of the way ... that is the stupidest thing in the world ...
Maybe baseball should do that too,, lets make extra inning a best Bunting contest and forget about the rest of the game.

NO longer as Special teams involved .
Defense is for a few minutes.

Personally, I'd go back to the previous version, except I'd start the teams at the 40 or even the 50 yard line, this way the whole game still gets played, not just your best gadget plays.

Make it the Dr Pepper challenge.

 

[Yespage]

OSU loses to Michigan. *maniacal lauggter*

Seriously, I want OSU to win but the Big Ten high rankings despite any actual opponents is bothersome.

Now the SEC has a little to cackle over. But not much. A Maryland win over Penn State would be a little more. But only a little.