SatelliteGuys Makes The Court Case

[Greg Bimson]

Scott will say it is because Dish Network simply decided that CBS in HD isn't needed any more.

I will say, like I have said from the beginning, that the injunction issued by the judge also covers CBS in HD. Dish Network had to follow the injunction and shut-down CBS in HD.

 

[cj9788]

The discussion about the content to be offered on that transponder had already taken place before the contract was signed. Imagine all of a sudden if NPS put up 10 channels of PPV adult offerings. I am fairly certain NPS would make more money off of that offering than of the distant networks offering.

There was only one reason to work with NPS, and there was only one reason the contract was given to NPS. And it just so happens that the only reason a Dish Network subscriber will be able to see distant networks: Dish Network must authorize use of their security asset in order to authorize the channels.

Greg let me start by saying that I belive that NPS and E* are working in concert but for other reasons, in the agreement between NPS and E* have ( JL posted at dbstalk) it clearly states that NPS can in addition to DNS provide any type of content that NPS deems fit.

IMO where they are acting together is in the qualification process that NPS is using. In the contract it states that NPS will qualify all subs by address. But they are not asking for the address they ask for the phone number. If they can not find a sub by the phone number then they say the sub does not qualify and to call the sat provider. They should just ask for the address and qualify a sub on that and that alone. They should not have any subs in the computer untill said sub provides it to them.

The contract also says thet they can sell DNS to anyone that qualifies regardless of having an E* account. In theory any one with an E* box ie a skyangel sub should be able to call NPS and get DNS. That as far as I know is not happening. But then again they have only been selling DNS (other than C-Band) for what 3 days now. I really think the judge is going to stop this just because they are not following the agreement that has been filed with the court.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Well guess who made the court filings again.

 

[cybertrip]

Well guess who made the court filings again.

So they are using us to make E* look bad. Is this even submissible as actual evidence?

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

No as far as I know forums and blogs are not submissible in court. Everything said here is said as a persons opinion not a fact. Nothing here is official unless you see a press release which goes along with it.

The NAB is just grasping at straws hoping something sticks.

 

[navychop]

Can we put a few thistles in with the straw? :dev :dev :dev

 

[cybertrip]

This makes me think of what you see on the TV show "Shark." The lawyers will some times throw out phrases or questions and then that information is removed by the case by an objection. However, even though the legal system says you cannot make a decision based on that information you still have it stuck in your head and you are more likely to make a decision based on information that is not even supposed to be used. It's all a mind game. Persuade the judge to think of the opposition in a negative manner and you are more likely to win.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

A bunch of you guys made it in this time.

 

[navychop]

My 15 nanoseconds of fame-on a posting that had nothing to do with NPS.

 

[Neutron]

Hopefully this makes the next round of documents.

Hey NAB, how about letting the consumers have freedom of what we want to watch?

 

[waltinvt]

A bunch of you guys made it in this time.

Scott: I suppose it goes without asking but I'm going to anyway. You wouldn't turn over physical or even email addresses for any of us would you?

What's the chance the court could force you to?

I would think that without actual statements from the real people connected to the user names, the transcript would be basically worthless.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Walt I would not worry, posts from forums can not be used in court as it is heresay and opinions.

The only way people could get user information from this site is if you give me permission to do so (for example when someone is having a strange problem with a Dish Network receiver (or DirecTV) and someone from Dish or DirecTV contacts me and wants to contact you, I would then write you and ask if its ok to give them your information.)

The other way would be by a court order, which would go for almost every other website out there.

Again I would worry not because you were quoted, it can't be used in court, again the NAB is trying to throw stuff at the judge to see if they can get stuff to stick. And again I will point out I hope the judge is smart enough to see through the obvious smokescreen.

 

[cybertrip]

The plantiffs are using our comments to try and force E* to give them official information.

 

[KingofKaty]

Scott - you should seriously think about pulling down a couple of these threads. You could also put any discussions about distant locals in either the pub section or in a new section accessible to members who registered before this whole mess.

We are inadvertently helping the NAB - and our opinions can easily be misinterpreted.

 

[KingofKaty]

Oh, by the way. I called AAD today to try to get my locals reinstated.

They did not have my phone number in the database and said I would need to provide a smart card and receiver number. I've been a E* customer for 8 years - and AAD acted like it had never heard of me. I know from reading the forums I wasn't the only one in this situation.

So much for the grand conspiracy between Dish Network and AAD!

With my smart card number they can subcontract with Dish Network to provide me locals and Dish had nothing to do with my contact with AAD.

 

[NightRyder]

Scott - you should seriously think about pulling down a couple of these threads. You could also put any discussions about distant locals in either the pub section or in a new section accessible to members who registered before this whole mess.

We are inadvertently helping the NAB - and our opinions can easily be misinterpreted.

It's just "fluff", no competent judge will give it any weight.


NightRyder

 

[Hall]

Scott - you should seriously think about pulling down a couple of these threads. You could also put any discussions about distant locals in either the pub section or in a new section accessible to members who registered before this whole mess.

We are inadvertently helping the NAB - and our opinions can easily be misinterpreted.

Helping them ?? How ?? Doing that would go against everything Scott has said about this situation.

 

[Hall]

They did not have my phone number in the database and said I would need to provide a smart card and receiver number. I've been a E* customer for 8 years - and AAD acted like it had never heard of me.

So much for the grand conspiracy between Dish Network and AAD!

Yeah, it took them about 12-24 hours to cover that up, errr, I mean, correct that mistake they made....

 

[minnow]

It's just unbelievable that the plaintiffs are relaying on an internet chat site for evidentary value. It does indicate to me the high level of desperation they are showing. And by the all those naysayers here that kept arguing that NPS DNS would be ruled illegal any minute now apparently will have to hold that thought for a while yet. As this has been referred back to a federal Magistrate, nothing is going to happen for quite a while.

 

[Scott Greczkowski]

Scott - you should seriously think about pulling down a couple of these threads. You could also put any discussions about distant locals in either the pub section or in a new section accessible to members who registered before this whole mess.

We are inadvertently helping the NAB - and our opinions can easily be misinterpreted.

We are not helping anyone, if threads and posts started disapearing then it would look like we are trying to hide something, which we are not.

We are not here to help the NAB, nor are we here to help Echostar. We are here for the Satellite Consumers who unfortunately are the ones being thrashed about even though they are the ones who did nothing wrong.

Lets hope the court remembers this, or do we not count in front of the eyes of the court?

Dish broke the law and Dish has shut down the DNS service. Now another company is offering DNS service so that consumers investments inall their satellite equipment is not lost. Dish is really not gaining anything, they could probably make more on that leased transponder by offering different programs, including HDTV, PPV etc then they are making by leasing it to NPS.