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ks Thanks! That's the kind of answer that is going to keep me motivated. I think I will look for a really big used BUD, the largest one I can find new up here is 6' and look at a new receiver/lnb.

ok, thanks, the dish won't be my primary source of tv, just want to play around to learn etc... in order to not break the rules let me rephrase the question. "Of the 37 channels that lyngsat claims to be in the clear how many does anyone get on a consistent basis?" if the number is high...

I am thinking about putting a BUD up in our yard this spring (we are in Toronto), for two reasons 1. to learn and play around with (hobby) 2. see what other channels are available that I can't get OTA and the first satellite I would like to point it at galaxy 17, but I am getting conflicting...