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All of the advertisements lead customers to believe that satellite is cheaper than cable. And if you're ONLY looking at the monthly fee for service, that may be correct... but as a total cost for one year, it's not even close.

Comparison using 2 tv's (1 HD/DVR and 1 standard):
Time Warner: $65 base + $8 dvr + $7 HD = $80/month.
Directv: $50 base + $5 extra standard receiver + $6 dvr + $10 HD = $71

That would be a fair competitive comparison if not for the recent stupidity where Directv makes their customers pay a huge equipment fee for the privledge to then pay a monthly leasing fee on it. Once you add in $300 for the receiver (or $100 less if you're crazy enough to lock in for 24 months), how exactly does anyone subscribe? Is it the advertisements that claim you get better picture quality and great customer service?

Cable companies have no contract and I certainly prefer 12 month rather than 24 month so the $300 receiver (I still don't understand why I pay this if I don't own it) would essentially add $25/month. If I wanted two HD/DVR receivers, it would add $50 month!

Thus:
Time Warner: $80/month - no contract
Direct Tv: $96/month - 12 month contract

For two HD/DVRs:
Time Warner: $88
Direct tv: $121

Oh, plus Time Warner would raise my high speed internet by $5/month if I no longer have cable tv with them.

Am I missing something?

I really would like to get Directv again, but $300 fee for equipment that I wouldn't own is a clear deal-breaker.
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B
The lease is so you only have to fork over 0-$300 instead of $750 up front.

Monthly fees are the same owned or leased as noted above, $4.99 a month beyond the first receiver.
M
The lease is so you only have to fork over 0-$300 instead of $750 up front.

Monthly fees are the same owned or leased as noted above, $4.99 a month beyond the first receiver.

Now I'm confused. I OWN one of my R15's (bought it at Walmart) and I do NOT get charged for it. I pay a lease fee for my other R15 and a DVR fee of course. But I do not pay a lease fee for my owned R15.:confused:
ktk3438
Now I'm confused. I OWN one of my R15's (bought it at Walmart) and I do NOT get charged for it. I pay a lease fee for my other R15 and a DVR fee of course. But I do not pay a lease fee for my owned R15.:confused:

After reading this, I called D*, and looked at my last statement which has my first receiver for free (but DVR Fee) and the other 3 showed leased equipment @ 2 charges of $4.99/mo.

Now I own one of those 3 boxes, so I called but they said it is not a "Lease" but a mirroring fee, and I would be paying it regardless. Although the statement does label the charge as "Lease"

Is that true? Or should I call someone else and try to get that 3rd lease/mirror fee erased?
Brewer4
After reading this, I called D*, and looked at my last statement which has my first receiver for free (but DVR Fee) and the other 3 showed leased equipment @ 2 charges of $4.99/mo.

Now I own one of those 3 boxes, so I called but they said it is not a "Lease" but a mirroring fee, and I would be paying it regardless. Although the statement does label the charge as "Lease"

Is that true? Or should I call someone else and try to get that 3rd lease/mirror fee erased?

Do you own 1 and lease 3? If you do, make sure the own is the primary box and the other 3 would be correct as Lease. If you own a total of 2, again make sure an own is the primary but the other own should reflect mirror fee not lease fee. The cost is the same but its a big deal as they have in the system that box as leased. I would get it changed if thats the case.
ktk3438
Do you own 1 and lease 3? If you do, make sure the own is the primary box and the other 3 would be correct as Lease. If you own a total of 2, again make sure an own is the primary but the other own should reflect mirror fee not lease fee. The cost is the same but its a big deal as they have in the system that box as leased. I would get it changed if thats the case.

It is not my main box, my main box is my HR20, and the other 3 are 1 R10 (mine) and 2 D11's. I have not outright paid for any of these boxes, including the HR20 they gave me all HR20, & 3 D11's, one D11 I had deactivated when I replaced it with an R10 that was given to me.

They told me the first box is free, and the other 3 are mirrored @ $4.99/mo.

So really is mirror the same as lease?
Brewer4
It is not my main box, my main box is my HR20, and the other 3 are 1 R10 (mine) and 2 D11's. I have not outright paid for any of these boxes, including the HR20 they gave me all HR20, & 3 D11's, one D11 I had deactivated when I replaced it with an R10 that was given to me.

They told me the first box is free, and the other 3 are mirrored @ $4.99/mo.

So really is mirror the same as lease?

Cost wise it is. But if you never paid for the boxes, then they are all lease. If there is a still an owned one in the mix, it should be the primary so all the lease ones show. If not, then the cost is the same but your lease fee should be mirror fee.
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yes and no. If you never paid full price for your equipment, Then its a lease fee. And that means you don't own it. If you bought all your stuff out right then is a mirror fee.Either way is the same price for the same service .
billbillw
In my case, the combination of Directv and Bellsouth DSL was significantly cheaper than Comcast Cable+High Speed internet. They had a deal to discount the Directv by $10 per month.

Right now, I'm still only paying $68 per month for Total Choice (no locals, old plan), DVR service, 1 extra box, HD package, and HBO.

That equivalent on Comcast is more than $95 per month. (Talking Digital Silver+HBO, DVR/HDTV fee+1 extra box

DSL is also cheaper if you choose one of the slower speeds (like 1.5Mbps or 3.0Mbps).

In addition, Comcast is now charging installation/activation fees that add up to more than $54.
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I tried to go online and change the primary status of my leased receiver to my owned receiver and couldn't find a way to do it. Do you mean I have to call D* to do that?:no If so, I may just wait for another reason to call them. I don't like calling a CS rep unless absolutely necessary!! They usually make my brain hurt.!sadroll
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It is not my main box, my main box is my HR20, and the other 3 are 1 R10 (mine) and 2 D11's. I have not outright paid for any of these boxes, including the HR20 they gave me all HR20, & 3 D11's, one D11 I had deactivated when I replaced it with an R10 that was given to me.

They told me the first box is free, and the other 3 are mirrored @ $4.99/mo.

So really is mirror the same as lease?

Yes, that is what we have been saying. ;)

Every receiver after the first is charged a $4.99 mirror fee.
If the receiver is owned it will be listed as "additional receiver fee".
If it is leased is is listed as "lease fee".

That's all. Same cost. Just different names.
iJustine
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It's not even where it folds!
SuperDish_Fan23
Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!
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That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
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Almighty1
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
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AZ.
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".
someone is showing their age
Almighty1
someone is showing their age
LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:
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dishstaller
I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord 🤣
navychop
someone is showing their age

You should hear his stories about when rocks were soft and pterodactyls were the new kid on the block!
dishstaller
One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0yZ1nrm6M&pp=ygUPd2tycCBwaG9uZSBjb3Bz
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He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w
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FTA4PA
Rest In Peace
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I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.
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Bobby
Rest in peace.
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comfortably_numb
Hope you're out there Swingin', John.
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dishstaller
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.
That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.
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Last reply · posted in DISH Network Support Forum
My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?
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Scott Greczkowski
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
bookworm370
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy. :)
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
S
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that! ;)
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
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ppappas
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Almighty1
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.
Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.
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Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
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Almighty1
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.
No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.
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dishstaller
Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.
navychop
In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.
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Last reply · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info
Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.
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navychop
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
TRG
TRG
17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.
navychop
Comb your hair.
primestar31
DEATH TO NEXGEN!
star trek GIF


It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.
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navychop
I truly hope you are right.
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