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primetimeguy
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Watching ESPN-HD with 622 set to 1080i

I know there are a lot of things that go into the PQ differences people see on various channels. But I want this thread to stay focused on those using the 622 or 722 on a 1080i display (CRT) with the 622 set to output 1080i.

I have a well calibrated 57" RP CRT and I view from about 10.5ft. Native 1080i channels look stunning. Sporting events on ESPN-HD and other 720p channels always look inferior to 1080i signals. And by this I mean DishHD and OTA. I'm beginning to wonder how much of it has to do with the 622/722 converting the 720p to 1080i. Unfortunatelly my display will not show 720p (nor does it convert it to 1080i) so I don't know for sure. And the only way I can see to test my theory is buying a $1500 video processor to convert the 720p to 1080i and see how that looks......but I don't have the extra cash to do that. So I'm curious as to what others think of the 720p to 1080i conversion on the 622/722 with their CRT. And if you would, please provide your screen size and viewing distance.

For reference, I think the BAL/CIN MNF game looks bad.

Edit: I guess for tonight, bad may be too harsh. Long distance shots such as punts and kickoffs have terrible artifacting. Close-ups are fairly decent. But the semi-close shots just after the snap and as the play is developing just lack the sharpness of 1080i.
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Well, I just ordered a Gefen Home Theater Scaler for about $400. There were some problems with these early on but it sounds like the latest firmware had addressed the issues. We'll see how this works converting 720p to 1080i as compared to the 622. If it doesn't improve much I'll return it.
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primetimeguy said:
Well, I just ordered a Gefen Home Theater Scaler for about $400. There were some problems with these early on but it sounds like the latest firmware had addressed the issues. We'll see how this works converting 720p to 1080i as compared to the 622. If it doesn't improve much I'll return it.
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Spent the night getting the Gefen setup. Conclusion.......it doesn't do any better at converting 720p to 1080i than the 622 does. Pretty much what I figured but thought it was worth a try.
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primetimeguy said:
Spent the night getting the Gefen setup. Conclusion.......it doesn't do any better at converting 720p to 1080i than the 622 does. Pretty much what I figured but thought it was worth a try.
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Scratch that last post. I guess I had a couple too many and was doing this while I was too tired. This morning I realized I spent all the time setting up and calibrating the Gefen but never switched the 622 to 720p, so all I was doing was passing 1080i through the Gefen. I'll play around more this weekend.
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I'm interested in the results, please let us know! And do that here as i don't want to have to come find you over on AVS! :)
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Well, round 2 of my testing (this time doing in right) didn't change the results. It was a little difficult to compare as I needed to switch inputs on the TV and resolution on the 622 to get the comparison I wanted. I'd say at best the Gefen scaler did as good a job as the 622 when converting 720p to 1080i, but I think it is actually slightly worse (bit more noise). I tried both component and HDMI connections and did most of the comparing during tonight's college football game on ESPN and some other games on FOX I had recorded for this. If there would have been a drastic improvement using the Gefen I would have seen it. The Gefen is going back. So now either both the 622 and Gefen unit do the same bad job on the 720p to 1080i conversion, or I definitely see a big difference in sharpness between 720p and 1080i on my display at my viewing distance.
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I hate to tell you, but some people report that ESPN-HD is temporarily scaled up from 720p to 1080i at the uplink center. So, the signal coming in to your 622 may not be 720p.

I have no way of knowing whether that is still the case.

National Geographic HD and ESPN2 HD are known to be 720p on Dish.
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kstuart said:
I hate to tell you, but some people report that ESPN-HD is temporarily scaled up from 720p to 1080i at the uplink center. So, the signal coming in to your 622 may not be 720p.
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I recall seeing posts about this a while back as well, but never really heard a final answer or where we stand now. I did have some ABC and FOX OTA programming to use in my comparison as well.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
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It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
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I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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reubenray said:
I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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long_time_Dish said:
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
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If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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