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Last reply Nov 12, 2007 · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Interesting E* FCC Filing

Charlie is spelling out the separation of assets in his proposal to split E* into two companies, and he's requesting expedited approval from the FCC.

See here.

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tigerfan33

Nov 9, 2007

Does this have more to do with finding more bandwith or selling the company.- Or both??

iceondsom

Nov 9, 2007

tigerfan33 said:
Does this have more to do with finding more bandwith or selling the company.- Or both??

E* has never received enough credit on Wall Street for its hardware and technology business. Creating two seperate entities will solve this problem. Simple as that.

Mike0616

Nov 9, 2007

iceondsom said:
E* has never received enough credit on Wall Street for its hardware and technology business. Creating two seperate entities will solve this problem. Simple as that.

They found lots of credit from a Federal Court for having infringed on TiVo's patents, so they DID get some credit for their hardware & technology, they "borrowed" (stole is such a nasty word) it.

Not the kind they wanted?

Minac

Nov 9, 2007

Where does the HD channels on 61.5, for us out east go???

JohnL

Nov 9, 2007

Mike0616 said:
They found lots of credit from a Federal Court for having infringed on TiVo's patents, so they DID get some credit for their hardware & technology, they "borrowed" (stole is such a nasty word) it.

Not the kind they wanted?

Mike,

Dude, Dish had a DVR deployed into the market before TIVO existed.

The Big problem was that DVR Model 7100 was a receiver with firmware written by both Microsoft and Dish Network. This is probably the reason Dish didn't have a Patent on the technology before TIVO did.

It is also quite possible that TIVO STOLE some of the Firmware technology from the Microsoft/Dish Product.

Dish has some pretty deep pockets, they just bought Sling Technologies. If, and it is a "BIG IF", Dish loses the Tivo Patent infringement suit they have plenty of money to buy out TIVO outright. TIVO is still on shaky financial footing.

John

sweetladycola

Nov 11, 2007

Minac said:
Where does the HD channels on 61.5, for us out east go???

You will need to upgrade to the new MPEG 4 HD channels that come off 129. This of course will require you to upgrade to an MPEG 4 receiver. But you do get a lot more channels than in the legacy package. Right now the upgrade cost is between $149 and $199 with $100 back at $10 a month for 10 months and you get 6 months free of the HD programming so save $120.

M Sparks

Nov 11, 2007

JohnL said:
Dish had a DVR deployed into the market before TIVO existed.

As a former 7100 Dishplayer owner, I'm pretty sure this is not true.

I KNOW ReplayTV was well before the 7100.

EDIT: Did some Wikipedia searches...real answer is unclear. Dishplayer was released in June 1999. Tivo was SUPPOSED to be released in March 1999, but I've read a few thing that indicate it was delayed until July, so Dishplayer MAY have been on shelves first.

Replay and Tivo were both introduced at CES 1999. I know personally, I had some Replay brochures before I had ever heard of Tivo.

In any case, they were all released around the same time, so infringement would have been near impossible unless we're talking about industrial spying.

slimoli

Nov 12, 2007

sweetladycola said:
You will need to upgrade to the new MPEG 4 HD channels that come off 129. This of course will require you to upgrade to an MPEG 4 receiver. But you do get a lot more channels than in the legacy package. Right now the upgrade cost is between $149 and $199 with $100 back at $10 a month for 10 months and you get 6 months free of the HD programming so save $120.

129 is a no go in many places , specially here in South Florida.

okiekevn

Nov 12, 2007

ok, this is all speculation, but sounds possible....

charlie is going to seperate the satellites, put some under echostar, and some under dishnetwork. he is then going to sell dishnetwork and the dishnetwork satellites to att. he is then going to forget about dishnetwork and focus on his new baby, vip-tv. the echostar satellites will be kept for vip-tv. vip-t will be used to aquire smaller cable companies that decide to join with it. after a short while, he will have aquire a plethora of smaller cable companies, forming one large cable company. just an idea.

mike123abc

Nov 12, 2007

I doubt he will go into cable directly. Providing cable feeds to small independant cable companies is something he does now, and I see him expanding the service. They get the advantage of reduced prices by having Dish negotiate all the service contracts, and Dish of course gets money for every sub.

It would be interesting to see the numbers, but I bet for a small operator, the Dish service is probably less than it would be possible to negotiate with every provider separately. Plus you get the added bonus of not having to deal with all the contracts.

I do think the new consumer Dish network replacement if built at 61.5/77/86 will be kept separate from the old Dish. But, I would bet that they would be sold together if they were sold to AT&T. The main reason would be AT&T could still sell Dishnetwork as Dishnetwork and make the new service exclusive to U-Verse. I hope this is not the case since I would like to get the new all MPEG-4 service without U-Verse since I doubt they will get the U-Verse service here any time soon. Dealers would be upset too since they probably could not sell the U-Verse service either.

JayStil

Nov 12, 2007

I don't remember the timeframe, but the DVR portion of the 7100 was not operational at release. It was enabled with a firmware upgrade at a later date (I'm thinking sometime in the fall, but that's from memory and I sometimes suffer from CRAFT)

There was an outcry when the DVR features were added because DISH decided to charge a monthly fee and none of the literature promoting the 7100 previously gave any clue there'd be a charge.

I know because I lived it. Still using 2 7100's TODAY!

M Sparks said:
As a former 7100 Dishplayer owner, I'm pretty sure this is not true.

I KNOW ReplayTV was well before the 7100.

EDIT: Did some Wikipedia searches...real answer is unclear. Dishplayer was released in June 1999. Tivo was SUPPOSED to be released in March 1999, but I've read a few thing that indicate it was delayed until July, so Dishplayer MAY have been on shelves first.

Replay and Tivo were both introduced at CES 1999. I know personally, I had some Replay brochures before I had ever heard of Tivo.

In any case, they were all released around the same time, so infringement would have been near impossible unless we're talking about industrial spying.

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Project Helix Price Rumor: Could the Next Xbox Cost $1,800? #shorts

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Scott Greczkowski

Staff member HERE TO HELP YOU! Cutting Edge

Last reply Today at 2:45 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Song Name Game Part 3!

Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne

Get it?

An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....

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Yesterday at 11:42 AM

Little Miss Dangerous - Ted Nugent

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Little Miss Can't Be Wrong - Spin Doctors

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sdfntx

Yesterday at 3:01 PM

Jump Down, Spin Around - Harry Belafonte

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Yesterday at 4:27 PM

Stop Draggin' My Heart Around - Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks

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hwkn

Today at 2:45 AM

This Old HEART Of Mine(Is Weak For You)-The Isley Brothers

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iJustine

Last reply Today at 2:38 AM · posted in iJustine

iPhone Duo Crease?

Time for another AWESOME video from iJustine!

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Direct YouTube Link - iPhone Duo Crease?
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telstar_1

Today at 2:38 AM

It's not even where it folds!

iJustine

Today at 2:12 AM · posted in iJustine

Reading on the iPhone Duo!

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iJustine

Today at 2:12 AM · posted in iJustine

Playing Xbox on the iPhone Duo!

Time for another AWESOME video from iJustine!

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Direct YouTube Link - Playing Xbox on the iPhone Duo!
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Buy her book!

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iJustine

Today at 2:12 AM · posted in iJustine

iPhone Duo Fold Animation

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SuperDish_Fan23

Last reply Today at 12:04 AM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Why are ViP922s So rare? like its crazy how ebay has none, i checked everywhere, also, i got a ViP222k now, which is actually activated!

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Strega

Yesterday at 2:34 PM

That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 7:02 PM

Strega said:
That's not really unusual. Cable companies like to the provide the box too. The phone company provided the phones in until the government forced them to allow third-party phones.

Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

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AZ.

Yesterday at 9:10 PM

Almighty1 said:
Yes, the Western Electric phones that says "Bell System Property, NOT FOR SALE, Western Electric".

someone is showing their age

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 9:38 PM

AZ. said:
someone is showing their age

LOL. It depends if the person saw it during the years when they were actually still available which is 1968 to 1983 meaning the person could be 43-58 years old or they can even be a few years old if they learned to read and write at a young age and actually saw a telephone with that label somewhere recently just like even here in San Francisco, payphone still exist physically in public places but whether they can be used or not is a different issue. It still looks like this even today:

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 10:03 PM

I opened my Radio Shack in Sept 1984 and right about that time they did the whole deregulation thing with the phone companies. I bought TONS of those phones that had been refurbished with a new outer shell. You could throw one of those out of a 3 story high window and it would still work.
That was an interesting time in history. I would have older customers come in and ask about phones.....they were terrified that they were going to get into trouble hooking up a second phone without the phone company knowing about it. One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone. I guess younger folks can't conceive of a time when you were limited to the number of phones you could have in your house....and limited to the length of the cord

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navychop

Yesterday at 11:01 PM

AZ. said:
someone is showing their age

You should hear his stories about when rocks were soft and pterodactyls were the new kid on the block!

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dishstaller

Today at 12:04 AM

dishstaller said:
One of the funniest episodes of WKRP was the one where Johnny thought the cops were showing up because they had an unregistered phone.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA0yZ1nrm6M&pp=ygUPd2tycCBwaG9uZSBjb3Bz

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dishstaller

Pub Member / Supporter Lifetime Supporter

Last reply Today at 12:02 AM · posted in The Chit Chat Club

Country singer John Anderson died today

He was 71 yrs old. One of my favorite songs is Seminole Wind....the violin is killer.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8sh9P3X33w

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FTA4PA

Yesterday at 10:53 PM

Rest In Peace

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mikew

Yesterday at 11:01 PM

I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song. Rest in peace Mr Anderson.

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Bobby

Yesterday at 11:03 PM

Rest in peace.

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comfortably_numb

Yesterday at 11:04 PM

Hope you're out there Swingin', John.

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dishstaller

Today at 12:02 AM

mikew said:
I Wish I Could Have Been There is an amazing song.

That's one of those songs that hits a little too close to home for me. I like the song but just can't listen to it. It's kinda like that song "Daddy never was the Cadillac kind".....reminds me too much of my Grandfather who died Feb 18, 1995.

niembre

Last reply Yesterday at 11:21 PM · posted in DISH Network Support Forum

OTA no working after Update

My OTA is not working anymore. This started after the latest update. I have the OTA dongle with a OTA antenna that I've been using for years. My hopper does not recognize the dongle anymore and when I go to the OTA setting, it has a screen that says to plug a dongle into the USB. I tried unplugging and plugging back, in the same usb port and other ports. The Hopper does not recognize it. Anyone have same issue?

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Scott Greczkowski

Sep 24, 2026

Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy.

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bookworm370

Sep 25, 2026

Scott Greczkowski said:
Did you people having this issue contact Brittany yet? Shes trying to keep track of things and it would be good for you to contact her as maybe she can get this somewhere and get fixed.

Now while unofficial, I am hearing this issue wasn't caused by DISH's software team, but was caused by a chipset driver update that seemes to have hosed some older USB devices. If this is indeed the case I can see why DISH didn't know and why they are slow in fixing it as they need the chipset company to fix its drivers and release them to DISH so they can be pushed out to all.

DISH does not hate you guys nor do they want you to buy new USB dongles. I am rather sure they didn't even know this was an issue until they saw it posted.

Again contact Brittany if you are having this issue, so she has your info and hopefully she can do something for you to keep you happy.

Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that!

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slow_poke_pete

Sep 27, 2026

bookworm370 said:
Thanks, but until they do, can't Dish just revert to the old driver that worked? Then test the new driver when delivered,d before pushing it again.

But then what does an old CIO know! I've only reamed quite a few buttholes from my people that didn't do that!

dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!

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ppappas

Sep 30, 2026

slow_poke_pete said:
dish can't revert back to older drivers or updates. although just one reason not to buy the ota dongle!!!

They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.

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Almighty1

Oct 1, 2026

ppappas said:
They can absolutely put the old driver back if they wanted. This is an embedded software environment in which they have total control. All they have to do if build a new version of firmware with the old OTA driver and test it of course. They just don't want to spend the resources doing so. If they are not going to continue supporting the single tuner adapter, then they have to say so.

Unless of course they didn't keep a copy of the old drivers and can no longer get it. Then there is always the their support for the product is EOL after a x amount of time so it will make the consumer have to buy the current product offering.

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Briant73

Yesterday at 9:19 PM

Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.

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Almighty1

Yesterday at 9:48 PM

Briant73 said:
Anyone heard any updates on this, I'm still having the issue so thought I'd check in.

No updates but if you can get DISH Technical Operations to roll you back to H710 or earlier even though H708 would be best because it also eliminates another problem like in this comment, you will also no longer have the problem as long as you don't update manually or forced to any new version until the problem is fixed as the problem started in H711 and still exist in H712 and H713.

https://www.satelliteguys.us/xen/th...ftware-version-713-is-out.423921/post-5108817

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dishstaller

Yesterday at 9:57 PM

Installed an off-air antenna a couple days ago for a customer who had just cancelled his Dish service. He had a dual off-air adapter and gave it to me. Cool. I'll keep it on the truck....might come in handy. Got to admit I don't watch anything as far as live tv goes anymore. Even if we have severe weather, our local channels will have a live feed on Youtube.

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navychop

Yesterday at 11:21 PM

In other news, it was announced that the software fix for the two tin cans and a string will not be forthcoming. A hardware fix is required. However, that fix will let you receive stations from a gazillion miles away.

Truck roll charges may apply. Two year commitment required.

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MartyDe

Last reply Yesterday at 10:37 PM · posted in Over the Air Television By RabbitEars.Info

ATSC 3 converter boxes

Interesting article about the work being done to develope an ATSC 3 converter box. Yes it does mention affordable.

Pearl TV Issues Progress Report on Low-Cost 3.0 Converters in Advance of NAB Show New York

Group has secured lower pricing from key tech players to make less costly boxes available

www.tvtechnology.com

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navychop

Tuesday at 12:03 PM

DEATH TO NEXGEN!

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TRG

Tuesday at 12:12 PM

17 years ago the US turned off analog OTA signals in favor of digital broadcasting. Now the push is ATSC 3 "Nextgen TV". But nobody seems to be able to agree on DRM implementation protocols. People don't want to hook their TV up to the internet in order to watch over the air TV. At least I don't. With all the data they collect about your viewing habits the box should be given away at no cost.

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navychop

Tuesday at 12:27 PM

Comb your hair.

primestar31

Yesterday at 7:29 PM

navychop said:
DEATH TO NEXGEN!

It's dead, they just don't know it yet. They killed it by forcing DRM on it, and that TOTALLY botched implementing it.

There is absolutely NO compelling reason for anybody to switch to ATSC3.0. They only want it as a total and complete money grab.

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navychop

Yesterday at 10:37 PM

I truly hope you are right.

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Interesting E* FCC Filing

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Song Name Game Part 3!

iPhone Duo Crease?

Reading on the iPhone Duo!

Playing Xbox on the iPhone Duo!

iPhone Duo Fold Animation

Its crazy how the ViP922 is so rare for no reason.

Country singer John Anderson died today

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ATSC 3 converter boxes

Pearl TV Issues Progress Report on Low-Cost 3.0 Converters in Advance of NAB Show New York