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I had the DirecTV installer over yesterday to install the 5LNB dish and an HD receiver. I have the old round dish currently and is not even the 3 LNB--it was installed in June, 2005. The picture has always been fantastic.

The front of the house points just slightly SW, and the dish is on the back roof and it pointing right at some very tall, very close pine trees, and they don't seem to impede the signal at all.

The DirecTV installer said there was no way the 5LNB dish would work on my roof and didn't intall it. He said there was no way the signal would get through the trees, even thought the current signal gets through just fine. I arranged for a second opinion, and someone is supposed to come out next Friday to take a look.

My question is, is there any reason that the HD signal wouldn't get through if the current signal is getting through just fine? Was the first guy right, or was it just too close to lunch time and he didn't want to bother starting the job? I've heard other people say that they were told the same thing so they installed the dish themselves and have never had any problems. Is it worth insisting that the next installer install the 5LNB regardless of whether he thinks it would work or not? Will the 5LNB still get the SD channels if the old dish is getting them just fine? Thanks so much in advance for any advice or help!
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J
The only thing would be that he'd probably be better off moving the new dish to a different spot on the roof where it was higher than where the current one is, and run some new cable. It just struck me as very odd that he said it wouldn't work, and then said I should get a second opinion. Aren't they all trained the same way? What would another installer magically find that the first one didn't? The dispatcher called me after the guy left and was pushing me hard to arrange for a second opinion, which I don't mind doing. But how often does another installer contradict the first one?

I think you might be right that he wanted to bail. It was getting very close to lunch time.
Jimbo
The only thing would be that he'd probably be better off moving the new dish to a different spot on the roof where it was higher than where the current one is, and run some new cable. It just struck me as very odd that he said it wouldn't work, and then said I should get a second opinion. Aren't they all trained the same way? What would another installer magically find that the first one didn't? The dispatcher called me after the guy left and was pushing me hard to arrange for a second opinion, which I don't mind doing. But how often does another installer contradict the first one?

I think you might be right that he wanted to bail. It was getting very close to lunch time.

Maybe he was NEW and was unsure ????

I would look at the location and try to move it to somewhere other than in line with the trees.
I have seen lots of time that you get a great signal this time of year... what happens when spring comes and the tree starts to fill in, THATS when you will lose your signal and be pissed at the installer.
Personally, I would think that might have been his thinking, but you never know, you would have thought that he would tell you WHY it would not work.

Jimbo
iwc5893
Maybe he was NEW and was unsure ????

I would look at the location and try to move it to somewhere other than in line with the trees.
I have seen lots of time that you get a great signal this time of year... what happens when spring comes and the tree starts to fill in, THATS when you will lose your signal and be pissed at the installer.
Personally, I would think that might have been his thinking, but you never know, you would have thought that he would tell you WHY it would not work.

Jimbo

I agree he should have said why it wouldn't work, although a lot of HSP's are not allowing their installers to say which trees are blocking the line of sight. Why? Because customers were cutting down the trees and still not getting a LOS and then demanding that DTV pay for the lost trees.
J
Well, in case anyone is still reading this thread, here's an update: another installer came out last week, and without even getting up on the roof told me that it was an absolutely perfect LOS for the HD reception. He had it installed in about an hour and a half. He couldn't believe that he was a second opinion.

Here's a little tidbit that he did pass on: he was a subcontractor for Directv, so he gets paid by the install job. He said the guys who drive around in the vans that have Directv written all over them are employed directly by Directv and are hourly employees with no incentive to do an install if they don't want to. The subs lose $300 if they don't find a way to make an install work, so they go out of their way to make it happen. He got a 99% strong signal with the new dish--the old one never got above 95%. So, moral of the story is...always get a second opinion and ask for a sub on an install!
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I agree he should have said why it wouldn't work, although a lot of HSP's are not allowing their installers to say which trees are blocking the line of sight. Why? Because customers were cutting down the trees and still not getting a LOS and then demanding that DTV pay for the lost trees.

Hee hee. That happened to me way back in the primestar days. Get there for a 3rd opinion, and the tree guy is there. Had to go back to the office because I was not installing jack until the trees were gone PLUS the guy wanted a roof mount he forgot to mention on the precall. When I got back, he asked if it was good enough. Nope. Its the limbs that are up high that are the problem, however, he had created a fantastic LOS for a pole mount. He reconsulted with the tree people and decided the pole mount was fine. I was glad I did not return the pole and concrete to the shop when I snagged the roof mount. :D


Also, DirecTv employs NO installers. The guys in the DTV vans are employees of HSP's, which are "master" contractors. DirecTv even contracts out the QC of their systems.
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Well, in case anyone is still reading this thread, here's an update: another installer came out last week, and without even getting up on the roof told me that it was an absolutely perfect LOS for the HD reception. He had it installed in about an hour and a half. He couldn't believe that he was a second opinion.

Here's a little tidbit that he did pass on: he was a subcontractor for Directv, so he gets paid by the install job. He said the guys who drive around in the vans that have Directv written all over them are employed directly by Directv and are hourly employees with no incentive to do an install if they don't want to. The subs lose $300 if they don't find a way to make an install work, so they go out of their way to make it happen. He got a 99% strong signal with the new dish--the old one never got above 95%. So, moral of the story is...always get a second opinion and ask for a sub on an install!


we dont lose $300 dollars , but if we cant get it to work we dont get paid, not all the vans that say dtv on them are employees
some are hsp. however most of them are paid hourly not by the job, i think your sub does this for a living, happy customers = paycheck glad to here a happy ending tho ...
enjoy welcome to dtv
Jimbo
Well, in case anyone is still reading this thread, here's an update: another installer came out last week, and without even getting up on the roof told me that it was an absolutely perfect LOS for the HD reception. He had it installed in about an hour and a half. He couldn't believe that he was a second opinion.

Here's a little tidbit that he did pass on: he was a subcontractor for Directv, so he gets paid by the install job. He said the guys who drive around in the vans that have Directv written all over them are employed directly by Directv and are hourly employees with no incentive to do an install if they don't want to. The subs lose $300 if they don't find a way to make an install work, so they go out of their way to make it happen. He got a 99% strong signal with the new dish--the old one never got above 95%. So, moral of the story is...always get a second opinion and ask for a sub on an install!

I disagree with part of this.
The installer that came out to my house receintly had a truck (van) that had the D* name on it, he did very good work, he was a sub, the installation is from a D* contracted company and they are also paid by the job, not hourly. I perfer an hourly employee as you get better work because he's not trying to rush thru the day getting on to the next job.

Jimbo
TommyV
If for some reason they can't install it, do you get a full refund, or does D* keep some because of the contract?
Jimbo
If for some reason they can't install it, do you get a full refund, or does D* keep some because of the contract?

I don't believe there is any money exchanged until the install is done, unless of course you bought it ahead of time from someone other than D* (CC, BB , Costco ect.)

To answer your question, IF D* cannot get a reasonable LOS at your location, there is no charge to you.

Jimbo
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Schedule drops tomorrow. Mandatory mini camps in June. Hall of Fame game August 6th.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:
Be nice to see a Cowboy headline like that.
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I guess even the patience of us laid-back Hoosiers has its limits:

Can we expect to see a new coach if we say "pretty please?"
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Jeeez, Week 6, no lead is safe…
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No idea what improvements might be involved.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
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I'm getting fabulous picture on Ch. 148 4k, but zero audio with H713. This is with a recorded show (Notre Dame game). Anyone else have this? Audio is fine on every other channel.
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
long_time_Dish
They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
Oh, you mean "soon"? :biggrin
Almighty1
It's a known issue.
For a temporary fix, go into the menu, Audio, and turn Dolby Audio "OFF". You will have PCM stereo audio.

I was able to give the tech ops team some data logs so they could diagnose the problem, and they rolled me back to H708 temporarily. It fixed that issue.

They let me know that they understand what caused the issue, and it will be fixed within a few weeks in a new update.
I guess they will be busy when lots of people start asking for rollbacks to H708 now that you mention that downgrades of software does exist because it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner and the IR Remote problems in H710-H713.
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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner

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it will likely fix the OTA Single Tuner
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Oh....you were serious
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Hondo is back with a new squad 9/25 only on Starz.


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Never watched the previous shows, so doubtful.
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Started watching yesterday. Not too bad.
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Wife likes it.
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I like Zyra from La Brea (one with the prosthetic).
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Sometimes a thread gets so many posts in it that is can cause issues for the server so that why today we introduce The Song Name Game Part 3!

So let the game continue!

The last song was added by Bobby who posted...

One Meat Ball - Andrews Sisters

CONTINUE ON AND HAVE FUN! WELCOME HOME TO SATELLITEGUYS.US!

Here are the original rules for the game as posted by WebbyDude back in 2006. http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/68645-Song-Name-Game

Just name a song title and the band who performed it. The next person does the same thing, but needs to list a song title or band name which includes a word from the previous entry. Pick songs from any genre.

Example:

Long Live Rock and Roll -- Rainbow

Rainbow in the Dark -- Dio

Another example:

Ride the Lightning -- Metallica

Lightning Strikes -- Ozzy Osbourne


Get it?


An additional note: we all know that song titles, sometimes, use profane words. Because this is a family friendly website it is advised that you clean up that title up a bit. This is accomplished by using something like sh!t instead of the real word. Thanks....
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I Saw The Light - Todd Rundgren
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Little Bit Of Light - Strange Weather
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A Little Bit of Soap -- The Jarmels
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Little Wing - Jimi Hendrix
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Stargate SG-1 cancelled, Atlantis renewed
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Monday - August 21, 2006 | by Darren Sumner
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The future of Stargate is in question today, as SCI FI Channel has cancelled the long-running Stargate SG-1, Multichannel News reported today and a GateWorld source has confirmed. The news regrettably follows the airing of the show's milestone two-hundredth episode on Friday.

Stargate Atlantis, meanwhile, has been renewed for a fourth season, with the network hoping to see that the spin-off series can stand alone, according to a source.
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
osu1991
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I have gotten back into watching SG-1 and I have recorded most of the episodes to binge watch. What episodes are about the Antarctic or was this a movie? Also where could I watch the SG-1 movies?
Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
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Well, there are a couple involving the Antarctic. "Solitudes", S1 E17 (one of my favorites), Then, "Lost City', S7 E21 and E22. Then, in the SGA pilot, "Rising", S1 E1 and E2, it starts out in the Antarctic for about the first 20 minutes or so.
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
long_time_Dish
Which one has O'Neil being Ancients? I am at the end of Season 8 now.
If I understand your question, O'Neill had the Ancient's knowledge in the "Lost City" two-part episode. That was when Anubis attacked Earth and there was a big battle over Antarctica.
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Really excited for this season with Kentucky having a new coach and some really exciting recruits. Probably won't last long, but here's hoping this season is great.
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Best fan sign I saw during the ND-BYU game: "Bear ate your Lucky Charms!" (Bear being the Cougars' QB). I was going to suggest, "Have you or your team been involved in a Carr crash?"
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
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They get cruel sometimes, very very cruel.😈. Hated to see my dawgs go down but I still say being ranked #1 is a hex on you!
Yup, I agree, I'd rather be 2 or 3 till the last few weeks.
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