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Last reply May 27, 2008 · posted in Movie Talk

Hollywood Studios Are Removing Grain For Blu-Ray Movie Reissues

Hollywood Studios Are Removing Grain For Blu-Ray Movie Reissues | Gadget Lab from Wired.com

If Hollywood has its way, Blu-ray releases of old movies are going to end up looking like Speed Racer: all shiny and clean. Apparently people in focus groups are complaining of excessive noise and muddy colors on high-definition reissues of classics. The reason? Grain. Like digital sensor noise today, film grain was once considered a problem, but evolved into just one more character of film that could be exploited for its gritty look. But these uninformed consumers, brought up on a diet of Toy Story and other CG 'enhanced' movies, don't like it. So what, you might ask. Well, it was these kind of morons who led to pan-and-scan renditions of wide aspect-ratio movies, and the same thing is happening again.

This is obviously becoming an issue, and has been the subject of more than one thread on other forums.

I feel they need to leave the movies alone, IMHO the whole experience of HDM is seeing and hearing the movie the way it was intended. Prime example was people complaining about 300's grain.

I really hope the studios don't head in the wrong direction here.

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vurbano

May 27, 2008

Looks like a format overrun by 17 year old PS3 owners is going to ruin movie quality now. Live by the sword, die by the sword I guess. Grain is essential to film. Get ready for everything to look like video game CGI.

gadgtfreek

May 27, 2008

Ive heard the same complaint out of a few adults I know. People who don't know any better and just want a pretty picture. Same people that do not like the fact that every film does not fill the entire screen on a 16x9 tv.

vurbano

May 27, 2008

elwaylite said:
Ive heard the same complaint out of a few adults I know. People who don't know any better and just want a pretty picture. Same people that do not like the fact that every film does not fill the entire screen on a 16x9 tv.

Agreed. I think this is the same people that place every TV into torch mode in the stores.

John Kotches

May 27, 2008

vurbano said:
Looks like a format overrun by 17 year old PS3 owners is going to ruin movie quality now. Live by the sword, die by the sword I guess. Grain is essential to film. Get ready for everything to look like video game CGI.

Good lord, it isn't either this or that. It's a continuum of looks available to the director.

And BTW, the director generally has final say on the look for consumer releases as well.

Cheers,

John Kotches

May 27, 2008

vurbano said:
Agreed. I think this is the same people that place every TV into torch mode in the stores.

The TV manufacturers do this so that their TV stands out as brightest in the bunch.

vurbano

May 27, 2008

John Kotches said:
Good lord, it isn't either this or that. It's a continuum of looks available to the director.

And BTW, the director generally has final say on the look for consumer releases as well.

Cheers,

Good lord. Read the article Its about going against the intent of the directors and releasing OLD movies with NO grain. This is a response to what consumers want which will override the intent of the director. If its happening for old releases it wont be long before the director is told what to do by the studios.

If Hollywood has its way, Blu-ray releases of old movies are going to end up looking like Speed Racer: all shiny and clean. Apparently people in focus groups are complaining of excessive noise and muddy colors on high-definition reissues of classics. The reason? Grain. Like digital sensor noise today, film grain was once considered a problem, but evolved into just one more character of film that could be exploited for its gritty look. But these uninformed consumers, brought up on a diet of Toy Story and other CG 'enhanced' movies, don't like it. So what, you might ask. Well, it was these kind of morons who led to pan-and-scan renditions of wide aspect-ratio movies, and the same thing is happening again.

You can read can't you?

gadgtfreek

May 27, 2008

John Kotches said:
The TV manufacturers do this so that their TV stands out as brightest in the bunch.

And the same people that use torch mode at home.

The Bram Stokers Dracula BD comes to mind. The PQ was so so IMHO, but according to blu-ray folks it was how the directed wanted it. If this is true, fine by me. Should they take the director out of the loop and make it pretty because thats what people that dont know any better want, I dont think so. Thats really my only issue/fear.

John Kotches

May 27, 2008

vurbano said:
Good lord. Read the article Its about going against the intent of the directors and releasing OLD movies with NO grain. This is a response to what consumers want which will override the intent of the director. If its happening for old releases it wont be long before the director is told what to do by the studios.

In the end, it depends on who owns the final word. In some cases, it'll be the studios, in some it will be the director.

I would be remiss if I didn't point out that the director might want the sharper presentation.

You can read can't you?

You seem to like polarization of topics -- when the real world is rarely as simple as 1 or 0.

John Kotches

May 27, 2008

elwaylite said:
And the same people that use torch mode at home.

I don't have a problem with the stores being in torch mode, as long as the manufacturer gives me a picture setting that is in the ballpark of the established D65 white point.

I know it isn't happening but I can dream.

The Bram Stokers Dracula BD comes to mind. The PQ was so so IMHO, but according to blu-ray folks it was how the directed wanted it. If this is true, fine by me. Should they take the director out of the loop and make it pretty because thats what people that dont know any better want, I dont think so. Thats really my only issue/fear.

I'd like to see what Coppola thought of the Blu-ray, instead of taking someone else's word for it

gadgtfreek

May 27, 2008

John Kotches said:
I don't have a problem with the stores being in torch mode, as long as the manufacturer gives me a picture setting that is in the ballpark of the established D65 white point.

I know it isn't happening but I can dream.

Yeah, a good example is the new panny 800u thats "THX Calibrated". Early reviews seem to make one think its better to spend less on the 85u and pay $400 for a proper calibration ( exactly what Im doing)

John Kotches said:
I'd like to see what Coppola thought of the Blu-ray, instead of taking someone else's word for it

Me too, because it did look like ***T.

Zookster

May 27, 2008

elwaylite said:
Yeah, a good example is the new panny 800u thats "THX Calibrated". Early reviews seem to make one think its better to spend less on the 85u and pay $400 for a proper calibration ( exactly what Im doing)

Let us know what you think of the 85u if you get it. That's the one I'm looking at.

gadgtfreek

May 27, 2008

I have the 50" 85u and love it. Im just waiting to get my calibration appointment finalized

(the guy is busy as heck)

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Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

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nelson61 said:
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SpaceX has held talks with Boost's parent company EchoStar in recent months about launching its own signature wireless service through a deal with the company, according to two people familiar with the negotiations.
Musk, the SpaceX CEO, has discussed the deal personally, meeting with EchoStar chairman Charlie Ergen last month, according to the people. The potential deal may result in SpaceX acquiring Boost Mobile or SpaceX gaining access to its network, which it leases from AT&T and T-Mobile US, the people said.
Access to those lease agreements would be a coup for SpaceX. The back door would allow Musk to make a play for a U.S. wireless market that equity research firm MoffettNathanson estimates is worth $235 billion. But the proposed service may need consent from those carriers for the service to actually launch, the people said.

Can't remember where or who I saw predict this.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

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Bruce

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Scott Greczkowski said:
It wouldn't surprise me to see Elon soon own all of DISH / Echostar in the future.

Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

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Scott Greczkowski

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Bruce said:
Again, why would Musk want a TV Service, specially one that is losing over a million subscribers a year.

Phone service…maybe, but not TV.

I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

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Bruce

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Scott Greczkowski said:
I know he wants TV. He wants to deliver EVERYTHING to EVERYWHERE.

Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

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nelson61 said:
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If Musk really wants to buy Boost, he might get a great price once Dish Wireless is out of Chapter 11.

Boost just lost 182,000 subs in the 3rd quarter-

https://www.fierce-network.com/wireless/echostar-loses-182k-wireless-customers-q3

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Other than the price, my experience with Boost is not that different than what I experienced with my years with Cricket. I will be curious to see what happens if SpaceX takes the reins.

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Again, if so, why would he want Dish/Sling of all the providers?

He could deliver anything without actually owning, for example, watching the Lions game in my Tesla Y on it's screen via the YT app, while on the way to my future in-laws on Sunday.

dish has new sats dtv does not

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